>> we heard the add damage -- addage he who robs peter to pay paul.hat happens to america when we reached that tipping point of 50%? >> well, i think we know how that no presidential candidate wants to answer that question, but it is an issue -- it's more complicated than simply saying 48%. some of the 48% are people on social security and medicare, and at least in their own minds, they paid for that. they are getting back what they pay. john: they don't know they get back triple what they paid. >> but in their minds, they are getting something back they paid. it is absolutely a problem if you get more and more people in a democracy thinking that a tax increase doesn't cost them any money, and they can benefit from it, and we clearly have not found a solution to that problem. we have to do a better job with fiscal and economic education, but we've been working on that. there's a lot of experiments going on now with video and new media to convey messages like that, but it's comp kateed. >> yeah, i mean, the solution is rationality. >> well, okay, then,