that it made it a bigger argument about the role of government and that the two of them create addai unanimousic sort of combination that will make their ticket more salable perhaps. gwen: jackie let's talk about paul ryan. there are generalizations of who he is, that he's a tea party conservative. who is he in the context of this campaign? >> in this campaign it's interesting. there's not a lot of space between him and mitt romney when it comes to what they're running on or stand for. but he has made this -- i mean, where as mitt romney has changed positions over time. paul ryan's been very consistent for the most part and he has put details on these -- on his beliefs that governor romney up until now was sort of avoiding. so it's made this choice really interesting to me that they seem to be running a cautious campaign and they exclusively said i think in an interview with politico that one of the advisors said we don't want to put on a lot of detail. that's not how you win elections and with the choice of paul ryan they have. he's been running on this small government blat form. it's not so m