your first two guests were very addmirable. they're members that i represent that are in the same boat. they're willing to give the individuals a second chance, but in certain industries, certain businesses, you need to be very careful. if you work with vulnerable populations, you run a karate club, a day care. they need to look at the job application and say this is something i want to talk about with the individual during the interview >>> how about that? >> a couple of things there. i just want to point out that this is a problem that is just tremendous. we have an estimated 70 million people with some type of arrest or conviction record across the country. that's what the national employment law project has estimated. we need to join together about this problem. it can't upyou some organizations, we need businesses to come to the fore too. e-i have seen small street business owners say they support ban the box because it is the right thing to do for their community. they understand that if we're going to have an economy tha