does he alienate that adience that's in front of him, the fundamentalist christians, by saying, you know, i really don't lieve in a seven-day creation, a seven-24-hour day creation. he wouldn't. he didn't say that he couldn't. politically, he was on the spot. that's where darrow, you have the right word, he skewers him. that, of course, puts the agenda up for fundamentalist creationism that we have to this day. i think that's the script that's been followed. >> anymore questions? i might have a question. have you -- have you studied darrow's career and what he was doing or what he was doing at this time or how this fit into what he was trying to do? >> well, not closely. but what he was really -- darrow, of course, was a radical. he liked defending radical causes. but the real reason that he -- well, e had two reasons for actually wanting to come after this trial. one was very personal, and that was brian. he really didn't like brian. and he saw here a chance to make a fool out of brian. the reason he didn't lik brian was because he blamed brian for those losses by the democratic party i