ambassador adleman. do you think that increase in the defense department above the bca total should be matched by the same increases of nondefense discretionary spending? >> the panel did not take a position on that, so just as i represented the panel, i want to make sure it's clear that what i'm about to say is my personal opinion and not representing i subpoena my colleague or other members of the panel. i think the issue in defense is absolutely crucial. i think overall federal spending needs to be under better control. i think the biggest problem, though, is frankly not the discretionary, it's the nondiscretionary part. the cbo and long-range budget forecasts made that clear for a long time, that's the real driver of the debt. >> is your answer yes or no? >> my answer is that the defense budget needs to go up and not that discretionary nondefense spending needs to go up. >> the president is insisting it does, and his budget increases about $34 billion this year off of the bca level. and the nondefens