to talk more about octavia butler's legacy, we are joined by the writer and activist adrienne maree brown the musician toshi reagon co-host "octavia's parables," a podcast that dives deeply into octavia butler's books "parable of the sower" and "parable of the talents." adrienne maree brown is also co-editor of the book "octavia's brood: science fiction stories from social justice movements." she is joining us from detroit. it is great to have you with us. the last time we had you on, we were talking about octavia. if you can just briefly talk about her biography and then her significance in the world of literature but also this visionary look at what is happening today. >> thank you for the opportunity to share. i love speaking about octavia. i will talk about her every day if i can. she gave us 12 novels and a collection of short stories. she took us as she took herself from california, drove across the country to get her story for kindred, took herself north to seattle. one of the most famous stories we just heard about is her protagonist character making her way north. as octavia lear