commitment to afghanistan.ding democracy getting girls to school and so on. it was a grand program but it was not met by any commitment of resources that would enable such a thing. 10,000 20,000 forces wasn't going to do it. the obama administration reversed the equation, ramped up its level of military commitment and civilian commitment but on a short time line and with narrower goals. that is counter terrorism and leaving the place better than we found it. i would say both are flawed but in different ways. some have to do with misunderstanding afghanistan. some have to do with problems of resources and time lines and misunderstanding just how hard a problem afghanistan would be even under the best of circumstances. host: we have less than a minute. what piece of advice would you give the president moving ahead? guest: he's going to have a new national security team, hillary clinton will be leaving and so on. right now the strategy in afghanistan does not appear to be working. it's falling apart on multiple fr

forces from afghanistan? >> i would, senator. >> the reason why i keep raising this issue with you and why i feel so strongly about it is that every time i have been there and talked and had candid conversations with our commanders at literally all levels, they believe that we need to keep the 68,000 there until the 2014 date. and if we start a "steady pace withdrawal" that we will not be able to accomplish a lot of those missions there. if we can't accomplish the mission, i'm not sure why we should stay. and that is something that i think a lot of us have to wrestle with because we're going to start drawing down right away, from the 68,000, which i am -- know that our military leaders believe there is absolutely necessary, then i think we need to look at other options. that this attack that destroyed six carrier aircraft, does that concern you? i'm sure it must. but isn't that an example of the brazenness and capabilities that the taliban have? >> senator, i think it does reflect the capabilities that the ta

you don't have that in afghanistan. a lot of these people that come in and want to be soldiers or policemen can only be veted by the elders in the village. so you don't know who you are. what we tried to do was bring in bio metrics and you'll probably read about that now, how do we reset and establish a good background way to determine who should be armed and who should be in uniform over there and who shouldn't be and that's some of the things we were doing. corruption is very real. but it's acceptable. we don't like it but in afghanistan, people accept corruption as a way of life. so another challenge was how do we change the mind set, how did we make people realize it's not right to do the kind of things they were doing which was grafting, taking money and being a corrupt society, taking money from people just to move throughout their town. one of the ways we did that was trying to be sure we took people and spent time with the police officers themselves. we probably spent way too much -- too much emphasis on contrac

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of afghanistan is as important as the question of security in afghanistan. if we cannot provide people of afghanistan youngest those in afghanistan job opportunities good income what is left to them is to go either to drug gangs or to join terrorist groups and money or to escape from that country go to the neighboring alias of seeking for jobs so it is very important that we create jobs for afghan people v create a good life for the people i wish at least one tenth of the military expenditure. done by u.s. forces and others would have used for for the construction of that country and that would be a huge money so if we expect. people or farmers in afghanistan not to cultivate drug we should show them a tentative base alternative cultivations and provide them with good profit good possibilities and then of course. government should also do its responsibility to prevent any more poppy cultivation and since we have been about a minute left in that interview i also want to hear your opinion on the change of leadership in china i'm sure you've been watching close

of the children afghanistan is. the second country from the down put there for the power to afghanistan is the highest and the award of maternal mortality to. each fifteen minutes one woman dies. in my turn maternity because of lack of access to the clinic what a lot of money has arrived in the afghanistan to improve the situation of women but i don't think it has brought many improvements. expectation that to be the suspect it has a plan it has a human i'm not cussing that has its. classes or subhuman so that's all right but we need and what we fight for the. welfare of those of us. but a couple of. more news today violence has once again flared up the film these are the images cobol has been seeing from the streets of canada. in china corporations are all today. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm tom hartman welcome to

parts of afghanistan will not be ruled by the central government of afghanistan. it will be ruled by a group of insurgents. at the end of the day, we probably will not see a civil war like in the 1990's, but politically and territorially divided afghanistan. >> thank you so much. >> germany will not support the latest palestinian bid to become an observer state in the united nations. a government spokesman said berlin was talking to other european states to find a common position. the palestinian authority president is in the united states where he met the u.s. assistant secretary of state. the u.s. says it will vote against upgrading the palestinians from an observer entity to an observer state in the united nations. >> in syria, 34 people have been reported killed in a double car bombing in. reports indicate a suicide bomber blew up his vehicle shortly after a bomb went off. the attacks targeted a town loyal to president assad's government. meanwhile, an unconfirmed report says rebels in aleppo in the north shot down a fighter jet and captured its pilot. egypt p

, as you look at afghanistan where is that country headed? make a list, like we are doing here, you can see in anyone would want to be a president. its problematic country. you have all the other countries and we say that by that time the government will be able to stand on its own feet. i think that is very problematic assumption. i think that government will be under horrendous pressure from the taliban and many from other surrounding countries because historically afghanistan has been sort of the transit area for the forces that emerge in that area. i have understand that desire to withdraw, but i've been urging that we try to engage the other surrounding countries in some agreement as to permissible actions inside afghanistan so it doesn't turn into a terror center and it doesn't become through neglect the place where all the countries begin to fight their own battles. this is in the context of what i said earlier. we cannot do everything ourselves, but i don't think we should leave afghanistan without a political framework that prevents

forces in afghanistan. joining me today is my wife, ellyn, whom are whom are very fortunate to have her love and support. she's a great mother to her three children, now young adults, and also serves as a times advocate for military families. she's unquestioned by the most valuable player in the dunford family. i'd like to begin by thanking this committee for their support for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines over the past 11 years of conflict. due to your leadership our young men and women in harm's way of well trained, well-equipped and well supported. their performance in the strength of our military families reflect that support. as we all know and september 11, 2001, members of al qaeda murdered almost 3000 innocent people. we know the attacks were planned in the base of operations in afghanistan with the support of the taliban. for more than a decade, americans in uniform in their civilian counterparts have responded with extraordinary courage, commitment and self-sacrifice to deny safe haven

in afghanistan, the police are not so concerned with traffic control, traffic is insane in afghanistan. so you'll see traffic lights but they don't work. they are not so concerned with chasing criminals. what they are concerned with is protecting themselves and protecting the villagers. in a lot of places throughout afghanistan, the police might be the only thing that's separating the villagers from the taliban. they are what would be more considered a paramilitary source. -- force. ufrptly prrp unfortunately they are not trained nearly as well as the taliban, they don't have the same equipment and they are greatly outnumbered by the enemy moving freely through afghanistan. so the focus of effort needed to be switched to say how do we fix that because the populations are concentrated in the districts and we needed to look at how we would fix the police in the districts, how we would train these folks and figure out who's, who should be in there and who shouldn't be. when i was in kabul, i worked very closely with the chief of police up there and with all the different sections of the p

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, as you look at afghanistan where is that country headed? >> when you make a list, like we are doing here, you can see in anyone would want to be a president. its problematic country. you have all the other countries and we say that by that time the government will be able to stand on its own feet. i think that is very problematic assumption. i think that government will be under horrendous pressure from the taliban and many from other surrounding countries because historically afghanistan has been sort of the transit area for the forces that emerge in that area. i have understand that desire to withdraw, but i've been urging that we try to engage the other surrounding countries in some agreement as to permissible actions inside afghanistan so it doesn't turn into a terror center and it doesn't become through neglect the place where all the countries begin to fight their own battles. this is in the context of what i said earlier. we cannot do everything ourselves, but i don't think we should leave afghanistan without a political framework th

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afghanistan in a way febrile enough to the u.s. before we left. again, i should be clear, i do not think that is what president obama wanted. so would to the pentagon and asked for three plants. -- three plans. they stonewalled him for three months. he went back to the pentagon and said, where is the plan? they said, we have one for you, but the others will take a while. so they kind of boxed him into the strip search. >> and petraeus' role in that? >> he is the one that boxed him in. he got he bought -- what he wanted, but it was a fai policy. >> this weekend is important not only for one pakistani girl, but for an entire nation. talk about how this fits into the story of the u.s. presence in afghanistan and pakistan. >> this girl was shot in the head by one of the taliban in pakistan because she had become well known for having this advocacy of girls' education. the swat valley was a place where the taliban briefly took in 2009. the pakistani military, partially under the pressure from the obama administration, went into swat and

better than afghanistan and as a result my focus was only on afghanistan and while we may have had a certain success in iraq it does not automatically translate that you can do the same thing in afghanistan afghanistan has an entirely different flavor of that and then iraq first of all iraq was basically a conflict between sunni and shia in afghanistan you have any number of trops that break along all kinds of different lines iraq had a more stable government and was more developed than afghanistan afghanistan was pretty much in shambles so any comparison you draw between those two is suspect and that's why i focus only on afghanistan what about the military surge stand that operation what was not a success that he was behind. what the problem with the sure and you're talking about the surge that we started in early two thousand and ten where we injected thirty thousand more soldiers into that conflict the problem was with the surge simply put more people in combat and put more people at risk due to this failed counterinsurgency strategy so the reality is in afghanistan this sure pro

forces from afghanistan? >> i would, senator. >> the reason why i keep raising this issue with you and why i feel so strongly about it is that every time i have been there and talked and had candid conversations with our commanders at literally all levels, they believe that we need to keep the 68,000 there until the 2014 date. and if we start a "steady pace withdrawal" that we will not be able to accomplish a lot of those missions there. if we can't accomplish the mission, i'm not sure why we should stay. and that is something that i think a lot of us have to wrestle with because we're going to start drawing down right away, from the 68,000, which i am -- know that our military leaders believe there is absolutely necessary, then i think we need to look at other options. that this attack that destroyed six carrier aircraft, does that concern you? i'm sure it must. but isn't that an example of the brazenness and capabilities that the taliban have? >> senator, i think it does reflect the capabilities that the ta

will remain in afghanistan after that is still unclear.bama administration has lots of decisions to make. how will the president's policy towards afghanistan unfold in his second term? once again our foreign policy experts. >> when afghanistan ends it needs to end well. we need to bring most of our troops home many if you left 15, 20,000 behind with airplanes and helicopters and special forces units, that would be the end of the taliban and those young women would have a chance. if we leave afghanistan like we did iraq it is going to fall par. obama had iraq inside the 10 yard line he had a lot of problems, iraq was a success story in the making. not leaving any american forces behind in iraq, 10 or 12,000 would have done it, has let the country deteriorate everybody has gone back to their corners. iran has more influence in iraq now than ever it breaks my heart we were so close to winning in iraq and the obama administration dropped the ball on the goal line. if they talk about leaving afghanistan rather than getting it right, that will h

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in afghanistan the taliban. soldiers. across much of the country and the people of afghanistan especially women are rejoicing and. the bush administration latched on to the issue of the oppression of women now women were oppressed a long time and you never heard anybody talk about it but when the u.s. wanted to invade all the. military. and women are no longer imprisoned in their home they can listen to music and teach their daughters without fear of punishment. for the rights and dignity of women the media talking to the whole country we are going to liberate the women of afghanistan. can liberate their people. and you certainly can't do it through the barrel of a gun. and then unfortunately now the recent permanent civil war and we were once again imprisoned by the fear. and things are going backwards someone. was mad when i was fifteen years old now i have six children. are stuff that is twenty four my marriage was like like many at that marriage it wasn't forced marriages but it was arranged marriages i used to say th

we are still at war in afghanistan and as we try to draw down in that war. we are in the process of trying to implement the department's defense strategy at the same time we are trying to meet fiscal responsibilities. we are in a period where the budget situation in this country, a huge deficit we are facing, the debt confronting this country are limited resources and will continue to limit the resources. i did not believe we worked on budgets and the defense department. i do not believe we have to choose between national security and fiscal security. we are at the pentagon is implementing a strategy that we put together in order to deal with the fiscal challenge we are presented. congress handed us $487 billion to reduce the deficit -- the defense budgets over 10 years. my approach was to say, wait a minute. we are not just going to cut across the board. we are not just going to hollow out the force as we have done in the past. every time we have come out of the war, whether it was korea, vietnam, the cold war, we cut the budget across the board, and we hol

forces from afghanistan? the max i would do so, senator. >> the reason i keep raising this issue for you and i feel so strongly about it, every time i have been there and have had commander conversations at all levels, they believe that we need to keep the 68,000 there until the 2014 day. if we start a withdrawal, we would not be able to accomplish a lot of those missions there. if we cannot accomplish the mission, i am not sure why we should stay. that is something that i think a lot of us have to wrestle with. we are going to start drawing down right away. from 68,000. trying to know that our military leaders leading is absolutely necessary. i think that we need to look at other options. this attack that destroyed six aircraft. does that concern you? is about the example of the brazen way that the taliban has? >> i think it does reflect what the taliban have. >> you are confident that the afghan forces will be able to stand on their own after 2014 without significant assistance from the united states? >> se

commiment to afghanistan. all kinds of words were used building democracy getting girls to school and so on. it was a grand program but it was not met by any commiment of resources that would enable such a thing. 10,000 20,000 forces wasn't going to do it. the obama administration reversed the equation, ramped up its level of military commiment and civilian commiment but on a short time line and with narrower goals. that is counter terrorism and leaving the place better than we found it. i would say both are flawed but in different ways. some have to do with misunderstanding afghanistan. some have to do with problems of resources and time lines and misunderstanding just how hard a problem afghanistan would be even under the best of circumstances. host: we have less than a minute. what piece of advice would you give the president moving ahead? guest: he's going to have a new national security team, hillary clinton will be leaving and so on. right now the strategy in afghanistan does not appear to be working. it

commander in afghanistan.ritical time, as president obama figures out what to do with those remaining 68,000 combat troops, u.s. troops set to leave afghanistan by the end of 2014. the thing is, as the hill, as democrats and republicans come back to the hill this week, the confirmation hearing for general joseph dunford who is set to replace general allen, that was scheduled for thursday, as well. and it will go ahead as planned, even though the confirmation hearing has been delayed. >> brianna "the washington post" has a report speculating who may replace secretary of state hillary clinton, and also who may move in to the defense department. what can you tell us about that. >> that's right. so a lot of people, zoraida, as you know, were talking about senator kerry, perhaps he might be someone who would replace hillary clinton. everyone knew that this was a position that perhaps he had his eye on in 2008, and hillary clinton took that position. but, "the post" is reporting that president obama is considering s

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but the real story is how all this education has played out in afghanistan. the war in afghanistan. i don't think it paints a rosy picture for how the war is going. one thing he said is that he regretted having to leave, he wanted to stay for another fighting season. yet, he recognized a great opportunity he had gone to the agency and they needed to get somebody at the agency because -- i don't know if you remember the threats looming around 9/11, the president wanted him to be in place. but he was back and when he talks about he started talking about night raid. frankly speaking, that was the only one showing progress when he first got there. so that wasn't quite the momentum in the operations in the south south of how blessed we can see now. in some areas committee attacks are down by 30%. in helmand, for example. in others, they are up by 19%. he regrets having claimed that counterterrorism in the night raids and so forth were where the war was heading. the discussion of where we're we are at today has been the extension of that. he also wishes he could've focused on preventing c

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afghanistan is not like another. country to have to school takes it encourage a woman far more about what rights and tell her that you have that's your right to have access to education and go to disco and it's going to look at it just in front of her door the husband doesn't allow toward the allowed or she could enjoy freedom it gets for me it's been to. them too don't go to school or university it's coming up women on the coast could produce good. it's a little bit like going out into the villages to convince people with regard to birth control what you've really got to do is you've got to get local people local religious leaders and local social workers etc who are going to go out you can have westerners going now and you can have westerners who are have a high profile. in that country because they deal with when the local people go out the local people say you are not here as afghans or as pakistanis there is in the knees and you are here because these american christian groups you see are trying to impose on us

number one -- we have to have an afghanistan that can govern itself. that can move away from corruption. that can in fact have the cape ability to provide the kind of governance that you need in order to be able to truly secure that country and govern that country for the future. that's therein area that i think demands a lot more attention for the future. the other is pakistan. because of the safe havens in pakistan and the ability of terrorist groups to move across that border and to attack in afghanistan ling challenge that represents. obviously we can take them across the border. we have been going after them operationally when we have been doing that. but the problem is when they move back and escape into a safe haven, it makes it very difficult to complete the job. so in order to really have a secure afghanistan, ultimately pakistan is going to have to take responsibility for taking on these terrorists and eliminating safe havens. >> last question right here. yes. >> don lauren, secretary of defense for homeland security, sir, thank you for joini