it's got to be adequate provocation to show that you are that aggressor. following is not adequate provocation. following is not illegal. there has to be more than that. >> marcia clark? >> i think they have put across a fair amount of evidence that he was following trayvon martin and that trayvon martin was likely a burglar in the nak neighborhood. the problem is trayvon martin doesn't appear to have been doing anything. earlier in the dispatch trayvon martin appears to be running, running away from him. the lead investigator confronted him, he seems to be trying to get away from you. that's what was said that he was trying to lose him at one point and he was following him. if it's true that he provoked the confrontation, it all kind of falls into place from there that he initiated the confrontation, knowing he was the one that had the gun, knowing he could win the fight and whatever trayvon martin has done to defend himself doesn't justify george zimmerman shooting him. >> as soon as the court resumes, we will take you back there. we're going over some o

and stayed the aggressor. we only have zimmerman's word. >> but aggressor is very, very tricky. and it has various meanings. these jurors heard from two different law enforcement officers, that it's not illegal. it's not unlawful to get out of your car and follow somebody. it's not illegal to call police if you're suspicious of criminal activity, and in fact, even if the dispatcher, who may not be a police officer at all tells you, you don't need to follow, you could ignore that -- there's nothing illegal about that. what's critical is the state of mind of the accused, the moment he pulls the trigger. and these jurors have to mutt themselves in the shoes of zimmerman at that very moment. >> you can't pick a fight, throw a punch, get engaged in combat while the person is defending themselves aensay, i feared for my life. that is just not accessible. and the problem is, it is all circumstantial evidence. we only have zimmerman's words, he contradicted himself many times. i'm not suggesting -- all i'm suggesting

but inside the self-defense statute is an initial aggressor rule. if she just said george got into it doo deep and it changed maybe she agrees he was the initial aggressor. the initial aggressor rule withdraws your ability to use stand your ground or self-defense. i never heard the prosecution discuss the initial aggressor rule. it seems once again the prosecution failed to put forward a narrative that would give jurors who did want to convict something to stand on. >> joy and i throughout the trial had said there was no cohe'stive theory with the prosecution. there were just assumptions and question marks and at the end, there were more questions than there were answers. it wasn't cohesive. there was nos theory. they tell from you day one in law school have a theory and follow it all the way through to the end. >> thank you both for your insights. coming up, all that sound and fury over the irs sutdly silenced? we'll allow a member of congress to explain it all just ahead. and didn't know where to start. a contractor before at angie's list, you'll

when you try determine the aggressor from the other pieces of evidence.en something comes along which sort of might make sense and who the aggressor is so important here, because if george zimmerman was the aggressor, a vigilante going after him, then he had absolutely no right to a self-defense and to shoot him. if, on the other hand, trayvon martin was waiting for him and that he was the aggressor, that changes the whole dynamic. so that, to me, and i guess because i hadn't thought of it before. you know, it's the first time i looked at that four minutes as being significant. that may struck mile. the jury may think that is completely ridiculous and have a complete different view of it than i do. >> harris: greta van susteren i can't wait for "on the record" tonight from sanford, florida. a plug for you, thank you. >> thank you, harris. >> harris: for more than a year we have watched sharp forms of controversy form in this case and you remember the protesters wearing hooded sweat shirts taking across the nation after police decided not to arrest george

but who was the initial aggressor. you can see when they got up and they first started questioning dr. di maio, that's what they started asking. you weren't there, right? you don't know who threw the first punch. your testimony is strictly limited to that gunshot wound and the angle of that gunshot wound. you don't know how this started. because that's what they're going to focus on. trayvon martin could very well have been defending himself while looking down the barrel of a gun. >> you have certainly, lisa, been probably through this case as much as anybody. how do you judge today's performance by the defense and by the prosecutor? >> so ken's right. this witness came off very well. that's because the prosecution was relatively soft on him on cross-examination. i thought much of what he did was unscientific. and i'll tell you why. he is wearing a fitted shirt, leak you wear, like most men wear, in the courtroom, and he is demonstrating with his fitted shirt. well, of course the shirt is against him. when he leans for

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that would not be sufficient, even if he were the aggressor.n if he shouldn't have gotten out of his car to convict him. >> brian, you wrote a powerful book "not a genuine black man, my life as an out outsider." you talk about being stopped by police officers and it has divide sod much opinion. in his mind clearly george zimmerman saw a young black boy, young man, walking around and thought trouble. he profiled him just as trouble. we know that from the way he described him when he called police. secondly you have trayvon martin said when he heard head been followed by george zimmerman which he was a creepy cracker. you grew up with fear and distrust. tell me about that. >> i grew up in california which borders to the south. we moved there when it was 99.9% white. they were becoming more and more diverse but in communities like that the face of crime is young and black. so that being the case you are a suspect just by walking down the street. i think that is the fundamental question we have to answer in terms of the verdict for the case. is can

so that would not be sufficient even if he were the agrandsons so -- the aggressor. >> right.ian copeland, you wrote a powerful book and talking about growing up in california and being stopped repeatedly by police officers. and this goes to the other part of this case that divide sod much opinion. in his mind, george zimmerman saw a young black boy, young man, walking around and thought trouble. he profiled him just as trouble. we know that from the way he described him in the call to police. in the same time you have what tr trayvon martin said, he was a creepy ass cracker and you have fear and dis trust. you grew up with a lot of fear and dis trust. tell me about that. >> i grew up in california which borders open to the south and we moved there in the 1970s and it was 99.9% white. white flight designation from oakland and other cities in the area as they were becoming more and more diverse. the problem is in communities like that, the face of crime is young and black and so that being the case, you are a suspect by walking down the street. i think that's the fundamental qu

the initial aggressor, so what he got punched?has these injuries. trayvon martin had every right to defend himself. george zimmerman was the one following him. >> you know, reverend al, faith is right. the problem is the prosecution didn't argue that. they fought so hard to get into evidence those prior events where george zimmerman called about african-american males in the community. 100% of the calls he made about suspicious people in the community were about african-american males. they got it in, and then they didn't argument it in closing argument. so what the jury heard was the defense version of well, it's very reasonable that he was suspicious because it was raining and he was walking around. and the prosecution didn't say -- i didn't frankly in my opinion have the guts to say that's not what this was about. i mean really, we can look at autopsy photos. we can look at the deceased remains of a 17-year-old, and we don't have the guts to talk about race? i think that's what is really underlying this case, the failure of the

the initial aggressor, so what he got punched?ese injuries. trayvon martin had every right to defend himself. george zimmerman was the one following him. >> you know, reverend al, faith is right. the problem is the prosecution didn't argue that. they fought so hard to get into evidence those prior events where george zimmerman called about african-american males in the community. 100% of the calls he made about suspicious people in the community were about african-american males. they got it in, and then they didn't argument it in closing argument. so what the jury heard was the defense version of well, it's very reasonable that he was suspicious because it was raining and he was walking around. and the prosecution didn't say -- i didn't frankly in my opinion have the guts to say that's not what this was about. i mean really, we can look at autopsy photos. we can look at the deceased remains of a 17-year-old, and we don't have the guts to talk about race? i think that's what is really underlying this case, the failure of the prose

who was the initial aggressor? are you telling me if your child is walking home from 711 and some strange man come following him that you don't want your child to try to defend himself when that person does not identify -- >> no, no, no, ben, my answer to you there is absolutely not. but the problem you face is florida law is very specific, and i've discussed this all week with various legal experts. it doesn't really matter what happened up to the moment they are in this confrontation. what matters is did george zimmerman genuinely believe his life is in danger? if he did, he can use the gun. the lesser of the law i'm talking about here, it's hard to hear that u-turn on the piece of information, regardless, we don't know who may have started the fight, regardless of that, you are not left with the jury that believed trayvon was man top and they are more likely, are they not, to assume that the voice crying out for help is the person underneath? >> piers, it has always been our contention that there was some strugg

that he's the aggressor, not trayvon.o this is very, very important testimony for the prosecution. >> marcia clark? >> and you will look to see the prosecutor in closing argument doing exactly what ken was talking about. corroborating every bit of her testimony because she is the final witness in drn's last moments to what was going on between him and zimmerman. so she is absolutely critical for the prosecution. to the extent that her testimony shows that zimmerman lied when he said he didn't know what street he was on. that it made no sense. she corroborates the fact he was the aggressor and was following. when he told the dispatcher, he was not going to, he continued to. the only worry i have about her credibility is that she didn't previously say that she heard trayvon martin say get off me, get off me. overall if the jury finds her as credible as i do, i think they'll be okay with that testimony and believe it. >> let me go to another testimony. john good who was an eyewitness who said trayvon martin was on top of geo

the initial aggressor is the for it and had the defense asserted really strongly that the aggression began at the moment george zimmerman got out of his car he might not have been able to use that self-defense as a as a defense but the but the the way it broke out was that apparently the beginning of self-defense or the beginning of the incident was when the fist fight occurred assuming that there was well the piece that you're missing is that george zimmerman who had studied this thing your ground law thought he knew how he had to concoct a. version of what he said is he was going back to his co-op at the time that trayvon martin came out and ambushed him from behind the bushes so he has reversed the no matter what he's going to read where exactly and so there like restart of the clock exactly so he knew enough about the laws to say to get him out of the pursuit and the aggressors they just say well i was just walking back to my car when lo and behold that was jumped from behind the bushes but this kid and that's how he gets that's how he gets behind it. rich we have just a little l

the definition of an aggressor is different and may not be physical aggression. >> all right. week unfolds and hopefully talk to you next weekend, as well. thanks so much. >>> web ta have been talking ab the san francisco crash landing. new images to bring you right after the break. >>> back to our developing story, the crash landing in san francisco. extraordinary, new, exclusive video of the plane coming in for a landing. dan simon has more on this. dan? >> reporter: hi, fredericka. we obtained the video of fred hays. he is an aviation buff. he had gone to a place where you could see these planes taking off and landing. and he was able to capture the crash on video. let's play that for you right now. >> look at him. hmm. that -- yeah, he does. look at that one! look how his nose is up in the air. oh my god! oh, it's an accident. >> oh, you're filming it, too. >> oh my god! >> oh no! oh my god! >> you're filming it! >> oh my god! oh my god! oh my god! >> you filmed the whole thing. >> oh lord have mercy. >> well, that is pretty dramatic stuff, fredericka. when you look at tha

you to be the aggressor.engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose, it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview with the juror, she said that's all -- that's what they looked at. what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> right. >> so he was -- >> that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you have -- you should have some culpability for starting this action and getting it rolling. there's none. >> these stand your ground laws in a sense take our humanity away, our civility away. yes, if you're in your home and someone breaks in, you have every right to stand your ground, protect your home, protect your family. but if

they allow you to be the aggressor. and if you engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview, the juror said that's what they looked at, what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> and that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you should have some culpability for starting this action. and there's none. >> these stand your ground laws take our humanity away, our civility away. yes, if you're in your home and someone breaks in, you have every right to stand your ground and protect your family. but if you're out in the street, you mean to tell me you don't have any civility to try to retreat

they allow you to be the aggressor. if you engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview, the juror said that's what they looked at, what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> and that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you should have some culpability for starting this action. and there's none. >> these stand your ground laws take our humanity away, our civility away. yes, if you're in your home and someone breaks in, you have every right to stand your ground and protect your family. but if you're out in the street, you mean to tell me you don't have any civility to try to retreat and

. >> reporter: now all eyes and ears are on those 911 calls, which could help show who was the aggressorbeating who before the fatal shot was fired. and was this self-defense as zimmerman claims? >> so help you god? >> i do. >> reporter: today witness after witness. friends of george zimmerman. were called by his defense team to testify they're confident it was him, zimmerman, heard screaming on those tapes. >> do you know whose voice that is in the background screaming? >> yes. definitely. it's georgie. i hear it. i hear him. >> i thought it was george. >> whose voice is it? >> george zimmerman's voice. >> there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. and i wish to god i did not have that ability to understand that. >> reporter: this comes after the mothers of both martin and zimmerman took the stand late last week. both calmly, confidently and definitively identified the voice as that of her son on the 911 tapes. >> who do you recognize that to be? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> i'm sure that's george's voice. >> reporter: but what about trayvon martin's father, trac

who was the initial aggressor? are you telling me if your child is walking home from 7-eleven and some strange man comes following him, that you don't want your child to try to defend himself when that person does not identify -- >> no, no, no, ben. my answer to you there is absolutely not. but the problem you face is florida law is very specific, and i've discussed this all week with various legal experts. it doesn't really matter what happened up to the moment they are in this confrontation. what matters is did george zimmerman genuinely believe his life is in danger? if he did, he is allowed to use the gun by way of self-defense so pure lit letter of the law i'm talking about here, it is hard to see how the prosecution have proven that case against zimmerman. >> well, i'll clearly say to you, piers, we have to all acknowledge that if you had the dynamic turned around and you had trayvon martin kill george zimmerman, the stand your ground argument wouldn't work for trayvon martin. that's the trouble with this who

aggressor continued to approach. defendant shot him.t was where the court reversed the conviction on that, suggesting that the judgment of acquittal should have been grant ed. the hernandez/ramos case, again cited in jenkins, gives some good insight into a similar fact scenario. in that case, evidence was there that the defendant took some effort to ward off the attack or end it without violence. the state's witnesses in that case uniformly identified the victim as the aggressor. we have one eyewitness in this case, john goode, i think, would present a scenario very similar to that presented by the state witnesses in hernandez/ramos. that is that we know and it is completely uncontroverted that mr. martin was the aggressor in that he had mounted mr. zimmerman, refused suggestion by mr. goode to stop doing what he was doing and continued the attack. similar to hernandez/ramos, the state's witnesses in that case suggested that the victim in the case was aggressor. again, that case similarly was suggested that judgment acquittal should hav

the jury has to decide who was the aggressor, whether george was defending himself or not.is the task we give the jury and prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and defense has to prove absolutely nothing. >> now the jury has spoken but questions still linger what happened on that dark night especially during four crucial minutes. ted williams injection us. >> my pleasure. >> greta: you and i went out to the scene. you were there with me and walked back there. in the four-minute period is the time that trayvon martin told rachel he was going to run and the time of the first 911 call. it's about a minute off and make it three minutes, someone has to go from hearing the fight to make the phone call to 911. is that time reference important and why? >> yeah. it is important. i can tell you greta, i've been racking my mind about it. those are the four minutes where trayvon martin could have ran and gone home. i tried to put myself in the place of trayvon martin for those four minutes. all i can think of is that four minutes to us, as you remember mr. o'mara played i

terms it's the aggressor or your subject and the officer.n civilian terms, it would be the aggressor and the defender. okay. and what you do is you look at the various levels of options that are available to that individual taking into consideration a wide variety of topics ranging from personal information, subject factors like their age, their height, their weight, things like that. moving through background, training, experience, weapon availability, environment considerations. all these things come into a force continuum which is a structured way of saying that if i were to do a, you would be permitted to do b. and it's a structured system that allows us to evaluate where the one person is on a force level in comparison to where the other person is permitted to be. what they really term to be accepted to be at. >> is that then information you both learned as a law enforcement officer and now teach? >> yes. i started -- first time you take a force course, one the first topics they go over is the law and the force continuums because withou

all along the defense has alleged that it was martin who was the aggressor attacking zimmerman and that zimmerman fired his gun only when he felt his life was in imminent danger. arcel. >> jonathan serrie, thank you very much for that report from sanford, florida. >>> our prosecutors are reacting to that verdict moments after it was rendered. state's attorneys saying that they still believe the case did fit the bill for second degree murder but despite the disappointment, they respect the jury's decision. >> when we announced the charges 15 months ago, we also promised that we would seek the truth for trayvon martin and due process for george zimmerman, that we would get all of the facts and details of this very difficult case before a jury and that we chose to do it that way because we felt that everyone had a right to know everything about this case. that for a case like this to come out in bits and pieces serves no good to no one. as mr. guy told the jury yesterday, to the living we owe respect, to the dead we owe the truth. we have been respectful to the living, we have done our bes

why that's so important because the question is who is the aggressor in the brawl. today this expert, fbi, called by the prosecution, gets on the witness stand, says he can do some scientific to determine voice analysis but not in this instance, they don't have enough clean time to do the analysis. the expert can't say it is george zimmerman, can't say it was trayvon martin. what he does say, the first good thing to happen to the prosecution in days, he says one person or two people who can give you an opinion about whether it is likely trayvon martin is his family, his mother. so we expect to hear from her soon, expect to hear she will say that is her boy. there's been some discrepancy, his father was asked about it early on, not in the courtroom, said he couldn't make an identification. expect that will be quite a cross examination. but imagine having the defense lawyer cross examine the mother of the decedent. that was the high point for the prosecution. after that, it seemed downhill from there. they called a policewoman who said on the night of february 26th sh

zimmerman the aggressor? that's the crux of the case, because whoever was the aggressor had the right for self-defense. >> shepard: the one who started this confrontation, the other person is immediately in pint of self-defense. for instance, if trayvon martin turned towards george zimmerman and began this, we have one thing. if george zimmerman went up to trayvon martin and said, what are you doing? as if -- as has been described and physically attacked him, and then trayvon martin defended himself and got the better of george zimmerman in the case of that defense, and then george zimmerman shot and killed him, not sure that flies. >> shepard, what's your definition of starting it? the first blow? the threat? and if i may, just say something about the skittles, he didn't just have skittles. i don't know for me it hits home. he had a snapple bottle. and a snapple bottle is a weapon. a decent weapon if you need to use it. a full -- either full or broken, you have a piece of glass in your hand. that's never --

doesn't look like it and they really are, so one of the things that boys are really good -- boy aggressors are great at is when they have -- when they go to the principal's office be disciplined when they walk out they are usually -- good bulls bullyings, are good at making sure everything that happened in the office is a joke, so what do you do with that? how do you discipline that? i was talking to people in illinois about it and military guy and sit foot six and scary and i need help and i don't want to do that as a principal. i'm not in the army anymore and so when they walk out of my office i know that they're doing this and i don't know what to do besides be really scary. that was amazing the principal came forw amt and said "i don't know aam doing and in this situation i need help" and another principal said "when i am in the office who i am disciplining how you connect yourself when you walk out of my office very much deals with you ho i deal with this entire problem". that's a great idea and i am sharing that with you. >> we have three more minutes left and i have one more person.

they should have made zimmerman the aggressor from there.hey have been trying this case like zimmerman was the aggressor when the first or second punch is thrown and that's where they run into problems. >> jim, think what the defense theory is that when he gets out of the vehicle or goes back to the vehicle, that's the retreat and according to the defense theory is that trayvon martin jumped him in the dark and he didn't know what hit him basically? >> that's the defense theory. the prosecution's best evidence is the physical injuries to george zimmerman. ted, i know that's not the legal standard. it's what's in a reasonable personal's mind. they are not consistent with a you go abo guy about to die. he was losing a fight. >> i think it's a mistake not to bring the jury out there. when you are out there, you have no idea what's coming next. so dark back there. you don't known a hammer is coming next, a feather coming next. >> greta, a question to you. >> that's the reason trayvon also could have been in fear of his life. >> i think he probab

but if you had not already found, jurors had not already found that trayvon martin was the aggressorasically that. >> couldn't have come up with this verdict. so to me, it's their way of dancing around the fact that they determined that trayvon martin threw the first punch and got george zimmerman down, essentially buying the defense, hook, line and sinker. >> i wish somebody had said what you just said at the trial. maybe the prosecutor. maybe the judge. >> hear hear. >> marcia clark, lisa bloom, faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, bill o'reilly spent all week avoiding the race conversation in america and preaching about negative stereotypes. we're going to have that conversation next. ♪ that's me... i made you something. ♪ i made you something, too. ♪ see you next summer. ♪ [ male announcer ] get exceptional values on the highest quality cars at the summer of audi sales event. ♪ [ male announcer ] clearly this isn't one of those speed-eating contests. that's a hebrew national hot dog. a kosher hot dog. that means we're extra choosy about the cuts of beef

, that is going to be the argument, he was the initial aggressor. so what if trayvon martin was on top, one minute you're on top, the next you're not. >> all right, we're going to come right back with more on this, and the final arguments. okay, we're going to be back with more of that. >>> and later, we're going to have a woman whose testimony went viral when she was thrown out of the hearing for being just a little too rough on the senators who were trying to restrict her reproductive freedom. you will see what happened in the hearing, and then she will join me in a last word exclusive. [ male announcer ] frequent heartburn? the choice is yours. chalky... not chalky. temporary... 24 hour. lots of tablets... one pill. you decide. prevent acid with prevacid 24hr. you decide. when she was only fifteen hours first open hold. surgery... handing her over for surgery is the hardest thing i've... ever had to do. before obamacare, insurance companies could put lifetime... caps on your health insurance. once you hit that cap... they don't pay anymore. zoe w

it is the physical aggressor that is the law. if you put that aside and put out emotion, saying he shouldn't have got out of the car, all of those things are not the law in florida, it was the first physical aggressor besides what came out in testimony. and what came out in testimony appears to be trayvon martin was the first physical aggressor. >> i got to disagree. you know, and sunny and i have disagreed on some aspects on this case, but boy, sunny i'm with you today. that was a powerful, mesmerizing closing argument by bernie de la rionda. you know what he did? he put the pieces of the puzzle together, some are saying why did he put all of those witnesses on who were adverse to his case? he said you know why i put them on? you could line up and say there is no reason why a 17-year-old boy was dead. >> you think he successfully connected the dots? >> i think he put together the best possible links to the dots. i'm not saying they will win this case, because it is weak to begin with, but with what he had to work with he did a b

. >> he was the aggressor. >> samuels is probably the one charged with grave bodily injury because heedwards suffered, he got knocked out. >> although the evidence leads to self-defense, samuels could still receive an additional year on his sentence if found guilty. >> it's not the first time edwards had been aggressive out on the yard. a couple of times they tried to stop him from fighting. this time he wouldn't listen. >> he thought he was a big, tough guy out there. he ran into a buzz saw. >> yeah. that's what happened. >> that's what you call yard justice right there. >> that's it. >>> coming up next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> we got 24 hours to stay ahead of you. you only come here for eight hours. >> speedy demonstrates for an officer just how easy weapons are made in prison. >> go into somebody's heart. pop a jugular vein. ♪ this summer was definitely worth the wait. ♪ summer's best event from cadillac. let summer try and pass you by. lease this all-new cadillac ats for around $299 per month or purchase for 0% apr for 60 months. come in now for the best offers of the mode

, i'm on you and suddenly i see you have a gun, my first instinct as the aggressor is not going to bey first instinct if i'm the one being the aggressor is to go for the help that will help me continue my aggression. not prevent it. >> it would be unusual for a person who saw someone they were in combat with with a firearm, would it be unusual for that person to yell for help in your experience? >> i want to make sure i'm clear. you just said would it be unusual for a person involved in a combat situation to suddenly see a gun and scream for help? is that the question? i want to make sure i'm clear. i don't want to misinterpret this. i want to be careful on what i say with what you're asking. >> i'm trying to make it more simple. if a person sees a firearm would it be unusual for them to yell for help. >> if an average individual saw a gun and it was pointed at them, i would say absolutely not. if you're able to vocalize something you would yell for help. i would hope if you're looking down the barrel of a gun and you'd be in fear for your life. >> there are other options that george

become the victim and the victim become the aggressor? exactly the question. the problem with the stand your ground laws is it creates so much ambiguity, the rules are not very clear. and as you mentioned in the set-up piece, it is not just that you have no duty to retreat. it is that you can be the initial aggressor withstand your ground laws and use a firearm to kill someone. and be able to invoke a self-defense claim. and you see two real manifestations of this. you see, there's been two good studies that have been done, that have shown the number homicides in states that have stand your ground laws. one study in georgia showed it was going up between two and three dozen a month. a i had to in texas was showing that the increase in homicides was stand your ground laws was about 8%. a very significant number. so you have the general problem that it militaryizes our xhunlts, particularly when you have very irresponsible gun laws. but secondly to your question as well, if you have a racial problem in the criminal justice system, and socie

, that is going to be the argument, he was the initial aggressor. so what if trayvon martin was on top, one minute you're on top, the next you're not. >> all right, we're going to come right back with more on this, and the final arguments. okay, we're going to be back with more of that. >>> and later, we're going to have a woman whose testimony went viral when she was thrown out of the hearing for being just a little too rough on the senators who were trying to restrict her reproductive freedom. you will see what happened in the hearing, and then she will join me in a last word exclusive. vo: traveling you definitely end up meeting a lot more people but a friend under water is something completely different. i met a turtle friend today so, you don't get that very often. it seemed like it was more than happy to have us in his home. so beautiful. avo: more travel. more options. more personal. whatever you're looking for expedia has more ways to help you find yours. >>> in an eight-minute court hearing, bombing suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev responded to t

. >> who was the aggressor. >> are any of those abrasions life-threatening? >> mark osterman. >> rachel jeantel. >> we should plan at least a couple of hours. >> he needs to tell her whether he is going to testify or not. >> mr. zimmerman not taking the stand. >> george zimmerman has pled not guilty and claims he fatally shot trayvon martin in self defense. >> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman. >> twenty-three days after the state versus george zimmerman, the state began his closing argument. here is how attorney de la rionda began his closing argument today. >> a teenager is dead. he is dead through no fault of his own. he is dead because another man made assumptions. that man assumed certain thins.s he is dead, not just because the man made those assumption assum because he acted upon those assumptions and unfortunately, unfortunate unfortunately, because his assumptions were wrong trayvon benjamin martin no longer walks on this earth. >> even though george zimmerman chose not to testify in his own defense, the prosecution tried to use george zimmerman

but if you had not already found, jurors had not already found that trayvon martin was the aggressorally that. >> couldn't have come up with this verdict. so to me, it's their way of dancing around the fact that they determined that trayvon martin threw the first punch and got george zimmerman down, essentially buying the defense, hook, line and sinker. >> i wish somebody had said what you just said at the trial. maybe the prosecutor. maybe the judge. >> hear hear. >> marcia clark, lisa bloom, faith jenkins, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, bill o'reilly spent all week avoiding the race conversation in america and preaching about negative stereotypes. we're going to have that conversation next. what are you doing? oh, hey. using night-vision goggles to keep on my spicy buffalo wheat thins. who's gonna take your wheat thins? i don't know. an intruder, the dog, bigfoot. could you get the light? [ loud crash ] what is going on?! honey, i was close! it's a yeti! [ male announcer ] must! have! wheat thins! what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber