i mean, think about that with the agnew case. given that with the benefit of hindsight, we now know that nixon was out, nixon did not get to the end of his term, he was forced out by the watergate scandal. think about what would that have meant with agnew not resigning if indicted. right, you've got all the evidence against him, the justice department indites him. he says he won't resign if indicted. so, okay, let's say they pressed on, and they went to trial, he would very likely be convicted on dozens of felony counts. they had very hard evidence against him. so, you would be convicted, he would get sentenced, to jail, quite possibly. it was dozens of felonies. it's not like the espionage act felonies, but still as bad. if he doesn't resign, he goes on trial, he gets convicted, and then sentenced to jail. then, is the vice president of the united states in jail. and from jail, what the justice department is expecting about an accent comes true. nixon goes poof from the presidency. so, now, post nixon, we've got the new presiden

"agnew declares he will not quit. agnew declares he will not resign even if indicted." 11 days later he resigned. under circumstances that all of a sudden seem very urgent today, very relevant to what we are doing today. as presidential candidate, former president donald trump goes in for his federal felony criminal arraignment on dozens of federal felony criminal charges tomorrow, there is a precedent that is at play here. the last time we contended with something like this as a country the justice department prosecutors working that case back in 1973, they kept their heads down and kept working while he was out there in public rallying republicans to his defense, calling it a witch hunt, saying he was going to turn the tables on them and destroy the justice department. he was going to go after them one by one attacking them individually. he was going to expose them all as being corrupt and committing all sorts of misconduct. justice department officials working on that case, nevertheless, persevered. they kept their

agnew took cash in his white house office. at the same time as you have a president being investigated. >> right. someone who takes something from a drugstore and goes to jail, what is wrong here if you have a president of the united states, nixon in '73 and '74. serious crimes for which he would have been impeached if he had stayed in office and not resigned for which he would have certainly, i believe, been accused, indicted, an probably gone to prison if gerald ford had not given him a pardon. what does it say about equal justice? whatever it says about this particular trial of trump among a number of trump, both people who love trump and hate trump will have to feel the system worked. >> thank you so much for joining us. let's bring in neil, former acting solicitor general and anthony, former director of the justice department's office of public affairs and senior adviser to merrick garland. anthony, i have a question about justice department protocol. garland appointed the special counsel. jack smith. and jack smith by al

spiro agnew use that is a get out of jail free card.e president, it was the prosecutors assumed that nixon was about to become president. in order to keep agnew out, they traded him jail nine for his resignation. i'm not saying what that that's what the doj should agree to or what the defense would offer, i'm not saying it would be good or bad for the country, one other time we've dealt with this is a country, that's how we did it. >> what's fascinating about this theory is that donald trump's face an extreme miasma problems from georgia to new york to everything, that for a blanket non prosecution agreement, if that is possible, if they could get fani willis and the d.a. in manhattan to join a non prosecution agreement, i mean trump says i'm undergo shear. >> i had ron liebermann, one of the prosecutors on of agnew on the show, and he said listen, it would have to be a not global non prosecution agreement, in this with this many charges against him that would be hard. but nothing about this is easy. again, i don't know that this is goi

with spiro agnew, you get a 40 count federal indictment, that is brought against him.not related to watergate. but because of crimes that he was committing in his own office in the white house. in that case, what the justice department bravely and nimbly and controversial-y brokered with him, is that that indictment would essentially go poof in exchange for him agreeing to get out of the white house. so, that delicate balance between needing a political solution to the criminal in the white house, and needing a criminal solution, a criminal law solution, to the criminal in the white house, is one that 50 years ago, this year in 1973, we dealt with, in 1972, we dealt with with spiro agnew. and at each of the three delegate in a different way, and as you're arguing, a potentially worse way with nixon. now, we're back at it. and i do think, let's say this is the only federal indictment of trump. you know, you look at the general petraeus case from ten years ago. what he was charged with, that was very serious, he got off with i think probation and hundred thousand dollar

both with nixon and agnew, they were both facing serious charges in agnew's case. we know he was facing 40 felony counts. but conceivable indictment of mitt nixon. we have to write that ourselves a bit. because of the ford pardon. but in those cases it was about finality. it was about corruption. it was about abuse of power for personal gain. but not necessarily in a way that was about screwing our allies and our own national security on the international stage. whatever this indictment says, when it materializes, whatever it says about motive, it's gonna be important in terms of us assessing just what kind of treachery is being alleged here. and you are right, even with the examples of nixon and agnew, it's new. >> it is extraordinary. an extraordinary night to be here and i am so grateful, rachel maddow, for the opportunity to speak with you. thank. you >> i'm glad you are at the desk when it happened, my dear. i am not jealous. >> i was actually going to ask if you might want to drive down a come down, because i have our good friend nicole wallace, and we could

the prosecutor christine agnew kc told the jurors that they might feel a little starstruck, a littlery that was going to try such a famous person. but she told them that they must stay grounded throughout the trial. kevin spacey was in a glass dock in courti here at southern crown court, as he listened intently to those ——at southwark crown court, as he listened intently to those allegations that were laid out. and the prosecutor claimed that kevin spacey had abused his power and his influence. and afterwards, kevin spacey�*s defence barrister, who is called patrick gibbs kc, he went on to tell jurors that they would hear some deliberate exaggerations and many damned lies. kevin spacey arrived at southwark crown court this morning and smiled as he made his way in. it's a far cry from hollywood and the film sets he's used to. the two—time oscar winning actor, accused of 12 sexual offence charges, walked past photographers. his case has attracted global attention. inside courti the 63—year—old sat in a glass dock, appearing under his full name, kevin spacey fowler, he listened intently

nobody talks about spiro agnew. this is a way of the republicans. am just glad that this morning, i've been waiting for four or five years where republicans allowed him to get away with. the republican party is complicit by being silent and allowing -- paul ryan had a chance when he was speaker. he did nothing. host: we got your point. these indictments have been alleged in other various were. the president talking about receiving them himself. tuesday will be the date when he hears the charges in court in florida. for that to happen next tuesday when it comes to members. various members of congress have put things on their twitter feed. this is kevin mccarthy saying today is a dark day for the united states of america. it is unconscionable for a president to indict a candidate opposing him. i never he american who believes in the rule of law stated with president trump. house republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable. jim jordan, also committee chair, putting out on his twitter feed "sad day for america, god bless preside

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the actor, sitting in the dock of courtroom 1, listened as the prosecutor christine agnew kc told theim as predatory. he has pleaded not guilty. mr spacey�*s barrister, in his defence, told thejury, "you will soon hear, i suggest, some truths. you will soon hear some half truths. you will also hear, i suggest, some deliberate exaggerations, and you will hear many damned lies." at stake, kevin spacey�*s reputation, his legacy, his freedom. the actor's only role now, to persuade the jury he is telling the truth rather than his four accusers. none of the men wanted to be touched in a sexual way, claim the prosecution, but he didn't seem to care. lucy manning, bbc news. a 15—year—old boy and a 23—year—old man have been stabbed to death in north london. scotland yard says officers were called to an address in islington last night just before midnight. a third person is being treated in hospital. no arrests have been made. there's been a significant rise in the number of children and teenagers diagnosed with type 1 diabetes since the pandemic. ? but researchers who carried out the study aro

christine agnew kc told jurors that kevin spacey was an extremely famous actor who had won many awards have also been hearing details of the allegations which have been made by the four men. the prosecution alleged that one of the complainants wrote to mr spacey to seek mentoring, went back to a flat with him, fell asleep and woke to mr spacey sexually assaulting him. kevin spacey is well—known for his role in american beauty. he's also starred in other films, including the usual suspects and seven, and the critically acclaimed television series house of cards. he was also artistic director of the old vic theatre in london between 2004 and 2015. kevin spacey denies the charges. the trial is expected to last four weeks. helena wilkinson, bbc news at southwark crown court. that's returned to our main story of the rights in france. our correspondent rajini vaidyanathan is in nanterre, a paris suburb. we saw president macron holding another emergency meeting, and we've heard another flurry of assertions being put in place. just take us through it. figs being put in place. just take us throu

christine agnew kc told jurors that kevin spacey was an extremely famous actor who had won many awards also, the prosecution allege, a man "who sexually assaults other men, a man who does not respect personal "boundaries or space, a man who, it would seem, delights in making "others feel powerless and uncomfortable, a sexual bully." the jury have also been hearing details of the allegations which have been made by the four men. the prosecution alleged that one of the complainants wrote to mr spacey to seek mentoring, went back to a flat with him, fell asleep and woke to mr spacey sexually assaulting him. kevin spacey is well known for his role in american beauty. he's also starred in other films, including the usual suspects and seven, and the critically acclaimed television series house of cards. he was also artistic director of the old vic theatre in london between 2004 and 2015. kevin spacey denies the charges. the trial is expected to last four weeks. the russian foreign minister has said moscow will emerge from the aftermath of a recent interaction stronger than before. sergey lav

christine agnew kc told jurors that kevin spacey was an extremely famous actor who had won many awardsosecution allege, a man who sexually assaults other men, a man who does not respect personal boundaries or space, a man who, it would seem, delights in making others feel powerless and uncomfortable, a sexual bully." the jury have also been hearing details of the allegations which have been made by the four men. the prosecution alleged that one of the complainants wrote to mr spacey to seek mentoring, went back to a flat with him, fell asleep and woke to mr spacey sexually assaulting him. kevin spacey is well known for his role in american beauty. he's also starred in other films, including the usual suspects and se7en, and the critically acclaimed television series house of cards. he was also artistic director of the old vic theatre in london between 2004 and 2015. kevin spacey denies the charges. the trial is expected to last four weeks. kevin spacey left at southwark crown court here in the last couple of hours or so. he walked along the pavement, got into a cab, dozens of photograp

christine agnew kc told jurors that kevin spacey was an "extremely famous actor" who had won many awardsution allege, a man who sexually assaults other men." "a man who does not respect personal boundaries or space, a man who, it would seem, delights in making others feel powerless and uncomfortable, a sexual bully." the jury also heard details of the allegations made by the four men. the prosecution allege that one of the complainants wrote to the actor to seek mentoring went back to a flat with him, fell asleep and woke to mr spacey sexually assaulting him. kevin spacey is well—known for his role in american beauty. he's also starred in other films, including the usual suspects and seven, and the critically acclaimed television series house of cards. he was also artistic director of the old vic theatre in london between 2004 and 2015. kevin spacey denies the charges. the trial is expected to last four weeks. there's been a third night of violent clashes in france, with nearly 700 people arrested and outbreaks of looting. it follows the fatal police shooting of a teenager in paris earli

>> well, there is not precedent for that, and spiro agnew might be the only one, but if they had a different approach, they could come to jack smith, and come up with a very unique or original proposition, hey, we are going to agree not to run for office and we will do x-y-z in exchange for some count, and that would be much less serious, and we have seen general petraeus and others who were high ranking government officials that when there is an acceptance of responsibility and a plea to something, the government is willing to resolve those cases on favorable terms, but don't think that is going to happen here. >> so president trump has defended publicly spoken out regarding the multiple investigations, but defended the handling of the classified documentations, and he said that he can instantly declassify the documents and by thinking it that he can declassify documents as well. last night, one of the former attorneys put out a different defense. i want to get your take. listen to this. >> simply the fact that it has a classification marking on it, and if it does have a classification mark

but unlike nixon, or even his disgraced vice president spiro agnew who resigned rather than face federal charges of his own in 1973, trump is taking a different route. between delivering campaign speeches last night, trump told politico that he will quote, never leave. he intends on continuing his presidential campaign even if convicted. joining me now, melissa murray, msnbc legal analyst and professor at nyu school of law, and former alabama senator and former u.s. attorney, doug jones. melissa and dog, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. melissa, what should we expect on tuesday when trump shows up at his arraignment in miami? >> i expect he will be treated like any other criminal defendant. they will be the usual processing protocols that he will go through. i think it will be very straightforward. again, this is not a situation where he is going to be subject to special treatment. he is like any other criminal defendant. he has all of the rights as a criminal defendant under the constitution. so this will be a process where he gets to exercise his constitutional r

nobody talks about spiro agnew who got kicked out. this is a way of the republicans.m just glad that this morning, i've been waiting for 4-5 years where republicans allowed him to get away with. the republican party is complicit by being silent and allowing -- paul ryan had a chance when he was speaker. he did nothing. host: okay, we got your point. these indictments have been alleged in other various were. the president talking about receiving them himself. tuesday will be the date when he formally hears the charges in court in florida. for that to happen next tuesday when it comes to members. various members of congress have put things on their twitter feed. this is house speaker kevin mccarthy saying today is a dark day for the united states of america. it is unconscionable for a president to indict a candidate opposing him. i never he american who believes in the rule of law stated with president trump. house republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable. jim jordan, also committee chair, putting out on his twitter feed "sad day for america,

. >> i had ron liebermann, one of the prosecutors on of agnew on the show, and he said listen, it would have to be a not global non prosecution agreement, in this with this many charges against him that would be hard. but nothing about this is easy. again, i don't know that this is going to happen. i don't know that it should. but i think we should get real about the fact that the only other time it has happened, that was the most important card on the table. >> prison or gold toilet room. prison, gold toilet room. i know what i would. take rachel maddow, you're the best. be sure to check out deja news, wherever you get your podcast. i will be doing the same. that's tonight's read out. chris hayes is coming up just now. ch>> tonight, on all in. >> i did everything right and they indicted me. >> one day after the second indictment of donald trump, the delay game begins. >> we want to know what this judge, judge cannon is going to do and whether or not she's going to delay this particular case. >> tonight, the trial calendar, the primary calendar, and how the 2024 election could come down

the man who was hand picked to be the vice president after spiro agnew resigned. ford said it was for the good of the country but 9/11 was never held accountable. do you think that set a dangerous precedent that painted presidents as above the law? >> i think it did. as the person who blew up that administration, i had a special interest and i was following it very closely. so i was sort of distressed that ford so easily pardoned nixon. he did it for his own purposes. not for nixon's. it wasn't really an act of grace but his ability to govern because he thought he wouldn't be able to if he was constantly having to respond to criminal inquiries regarding nixon who would then have been on trial. so i think it has left us in this situation we are today where crowds cheer trump who has an indictment. had that been solved 50 years ago, we wouldn't be seeing the same set of reactions. >> after he resigned, in 1977, he told the interviewer david frost. he gave that infamous line. when the president does it, that means it's not illegal. and clearly, former president trump

that's vice president agnew did.d have a better outcome, then if he had gone to trial on the bribery charges that he was facing. nixon avoided a trial by having himself be pardoned, but as you noted, ayman, as a result of that, gerald ford did not win reelection. he lost. and one of the largest reasons was because he did not serve the american public's interest, by giving a pardon. so all of the republican candidates who are now saying, i would pardon him, watch out. that's how you lose an election, and it's not going to help the american people. it's the wrong thing to do. we went to trial much quicker now, there were classified documents. we indicted in march, we had a verdict on january 1st. and in between, we went to the supreme court in the watergate case. so, it can be done much faster. but, i actually do think that mr. ehrenberg is absolutely correct and that this will be delayed, and will certainly not happen before the primaries, and before that decision is made. probably not even before the election. >> jen

vice president spiro agnew, richard nixon's vice president playing guilty racketeering and corruption and resigning the presidency. the condition of his plea bargaining bargain and of going way back to that county days of our democracy thomas jefferson's, former vice president aaron burr being charge with treason which he eventually acquitted by a trial before the supreme court. so this is our constitution has not. i don't is something was going to test. our country is going to test the faith of the american people in the judicial system. and the idea everyone equal under the law and no one above the law. so, you know, all these things are in play as we think what is going to happen in the next few or with this trial. and donald trump and, you know, it's it's something you know, beyond the election. beyond the consequences too, to the nomination of tory. 24 enormous ramifications for our democratic system in our democratic values and the upholding our united states constitution. so there's a lot at stake here, more than just it's not a witch hunt. it's weaponization. it's all those th

employment benefits security administration stated in march, 2021 the department's rationale for undertake agnew rule was based on private meetings in which unnamed parties expressed confusion about the 2020 rule and how to interpret them. this means the department based its decision to eskinned and revise the e.s.g. rules behind closed doors. why were these meetings held in private and not the public? why were the attending names and dates of these meetings not disclosed? secretary su: thank you for that question, congressman. i am not aware of private meetings that were undisclosed. mr. allen: can you get back with me and can you investigate that and have someone in your organization look into it and get back to me on why that happened? secretary su: i will, sir. mr. allen: will you commit to providing the committee with a list of all attending names and dates of all the meetings regarding the november, 2022e.s.g. rule making process within 30 days of this hearing? secretary su: thank you very much, congressman. mr. allen: yes or no. will you do that? secretary su: will i certainly -- what i s

spiro agnew and you actually indicted by the u.s. attorney in maryland agreed to resign. and aaron burr with to go all the way back to 18. 0, 7, win. former vice president aaron burr was actually arrested by his former former running mate, president thomas jefferson graduate reasons. and this is this is something that's very rare it's going to be extremely important the think word is what is at stake here goes to very issue, the heart of our national security and our nation's secrets. and the president has the former president has been accused of holding in abeyance from federal government. number of extremely classified documents, documents that country spend billions of dollars of putting together intelligence networks for whether its spy satellites, whether it's shopping, whether it's human intelligence and accused of basically you're not stored a bathroom. knew could see it. so this is stakes are very high and i think there there should be some serious is attached. what's going on here today. >> as we look at live pictures here of some of former president's supporters

i'm referring to those -- spiro agnew, our vice president in the administration.s corruption i believe when he was in government and it is a situation with a plea deal where he was only fined $10,000 and, no jail time, and also a situation where they made sure he was going to run for elected office and be part of the department of justice said that particular time. kind of knew about what was going on with warranty and that perhaps nixon was involved. therefore, the justice followed through with the plea deal on spiro agnew to make sure he did not become president of the united states. and i also just mentioned about the abortion situation. there is a great quote by george washington about -- as far as the majority -- minority taking over the majority. the majority of the people as i understand it here in the united are for pro-choice. we have our supreme court go against vat. george washington pointed out the problems that i am having in the minority dictating over the majority. he indicated that those are nothing but anarchy and confusion to be expected thereaft

now, the reason the whole business with agnew and the potential vice presidential vacancy matters is because it coincided this was two months after the election. ford's ford he's never going to be speaker. but all of a sudden there's a possibility that he could end his career in a very honorable and not particularly demanding position as vice president, which would also the added advantage of providing a platform, a springboard, if you will, for a post congressional career as a lawyer and lobbyist. and so the plan was mrs. ford would finally get her husband back. in 1977 and he would split his time between washington and grand rapids. it didn't work out that way. and so i want to leave some time for questions. well, but skipping so he becomes president. there is there is a speech we all remember. he talked about hour long national nightmare is over. and one of the little asides that you've touched on is that speechwriter for that may not have properly. well, this is one of those factoids. and i'm glad bob a lot around bob hartman as fascinating character frankly someone should write

we are build agnew generation of skilled employees -- a new generation of skilled employees here to contribute. mr. larsen: mr. warren, the commission you focus on infrastructure. do you have a similar set of issues in hiring people to make these projects work? to make them happen. i apologize. mr. warren: one of the biggest challenges to implementing all these projects, spending the money from the infrastructure bill, is hiring workers. every one of our members, stephen talked about hiring they are doing, it's critical. it's not easy. it's a tight labor market. hiring has to be done is kraegt a lot of good jobs. but it's essential if these projects can move forward. there is a lot of work that needs to be done on the corridor and nationwide. our focus is certainly the corridor. you have to have the work force both management and labor, to make it happen. without the funding certainty, the infrastructure bill, amtrak wouldn't be hiring as much as it is right now. funding certainly is critical to giving our members the confidence to go out and hire and train. everyone you hire you are training

i teach mccarthy, i teach spiro agnew. they're like the triple-a gold standard of that.and they're not alone. they could demonize us, but i've never realized now we have people calling us actual demons. okay, well, this is a moral struggle in the classrooms, and we're the ground zero of it. and teaching conspiracies while you're trying to forestall all that has become important. how we fix that? we remember our training. and when i went to university, chicago, i was a latin american. that was my first career. i studied somoza and the cold war. and we had our terminology. had our reading. i knew what the dependency theory was, because that's what john coatsworth taught me. we flew our flags for tribes in history, and that's how it works. we all do that. but one of the things i start to learn is i teach the conspiracy classes. i start moving into other fields. and i read a very good journal from stanford and university of maryland faculty from last year and talking about the educational psychology of conspiracies and, online learning. and i ran across this word called heur

nobody talks about spiro agnew. this is a way of the republicans. am just glad that this morning, i've been waiting for four or five years where republicans allowed him to get away with. the republican party is complicit by being silent and allowing -- paul ryan had a chance when he was speaker. he did nothing. host: we got your point. these indictments have been alleged in other various were. the president talking about receiving them himself. tuesday will be the date when he hears the charges in court in florida. for that to happen next tuesday when it comes to members. various members of congress have put things on their twitter feed. this is kevin mccarthy saying today is a dark day for the united states of america. it is unconscionable for a president to indict a candidate opposing him. i never he american who believes in the rule of law stated with president trump. house republicans will hold this brazen weaponization of power accountable. jim jordan, also committee chair, putting out on his twitter feed "sad day for america, god bless preside

a central point is it's the easiest way for people to subscribe to vote the agnew's may not be the best of subscription fees. all these things have subscriptions. this is the one mechanism we have. >> how does that help level the playing field for the non-english speakers especially in emergency situations? >> thank you for the question. as mentioned throughout the hearingsgs today, the relatively low barrier to entry to broadcast two different diverse communities to this particular platform make it ideal for us to communicate with underserved and socially vulnerable communities that may not have access to some of those resources. the ability of those broadcasters to communicate with the groups that they message out to come of the information is of critical importance to making sure the public is fully aware of what the situation is as it relates to disasters. >> thank you and i'm going to yield back. >> thank you. the gentlelady yields back end of the chair recognizes the gentleman from georgia for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. for the opportunity to address the importance o

but agnew's coming over a satellite to a farm may not be the best use because of the subscription fees that are involved in delivering satellite news and individual farms. satellite radios another example. all of these things have subscriptions. this is the one mechanism that we have that is free to deliver these types of things. >> thank you. colonel, how to name radio help level the playing field for non-english speakers. especially in emergency situations. >> thank you for the question, congresswoman. as mentioned throughout the hearings today, relatively low barrier to entry to broadcast to different diverse communities through this particular platform make it ideal for us communicate with underserved and socially vulnerable's -- may not have access to some of those resources in their native languages. the ability of those broadcasters to communicate directly with the groups that they reach out to. that information is of critical importance to making sure the public is fully aware what the situation is. as a relaces astors. >> thank you. i'm going to yield back. seven seconds. than

this is, it's we, we had a vice president aero agnew who was taking money or he had to step down and he had this particular travails. but the issue is if you ask people, do you want an ex president in prison? and by the way, one more thing, how do you for the person, the person who was a secret service security detail, where you're gonna put a, somebody said to a man and person with the secret service detail. what does anybody seriously think is going to happen? is that the judge and by the way, federal judges are appointed for life? they don't, they, can they actually to know what i mean? such as an incredible, do people really know what they're talking about here? 37 out to come home tested way over a 100 years. these 76 years. oh. and there were people here who were running around that originally. right. but you'll get a pretty good this is these are, and that's the thing which is the most fascinating. nobody knows what's up and down anymore. i'm a lawyer, i'm wise, is a bunch of people ask the how can you do this is i don't know how well, who stops this? i don't know. and the bes