agriculture, agriscience has been a big area. another one i was looking this morning that surprised me a little was the business area, but that's always been a strong area. host: what's been on the decline in recent years? guest: well, probably some of the specific courses like keyboarding which have kind of served their purpose. everybody knows how to keyboard now because they have computers in front of them. that's one that specifically comes to mind. you know, it's a good question. as you think about the evolution of the economy, really technology as mentioned is so integrated into everything, so everyone needs to understand computers, understand i.t. they also have to have a foundation in academics and a lot -- well, all of our programs really need to be tied to academics as well. host: what about the end earnings results for these students? do career and technical education students end up making less over the course of their lifetimes on average than four-year college graduates? guest: i think the simple answer is no but it