so i'm aham -- a hamilton-curious scholar. >> host: besides a ten dollar bell and a relative live well-known musical, what's his legacy. >> guest: one thing at the time he was known for and has had i suppose in some ways in the long-term a mixed legacy but at the time he deserves credit for, he at an early point believed the national government needed to be strengthened, at a point where it wasn't strong. so, during the revolution, very early on, one of the loudest and most fervent supporters the need to create a stronger national government, helped pushed through the constitutional convention. that first term of washington's presidency, pushing to centralize, iy we can look bat and say some strengthening is good but at the time it mattered a lot that you had someone there who was pushing in that direction. so as far as part of his legacy, helping to create the national superstructure we take for granted. he played a major role in doing that. >> host: want to play a little bit of audio, and let you listen to this and tell us what we're listening to. [singing] >> host: what are we listening t