i am an outsource ahholic. having said that.e have been doing more overseas than domestic because we outsource development work and every guy and his cousin in the ukraine do develop work. so many tools to manage them nowadays, it just makes it easier to do. >> as far as the future of outsourcing, easier to reach out to the people with technology today and i don't care where they are as long as they are skilled. >> i certainly care about the skills but the cultural issues are important and the proximity. people i actually can have a conversation with, i want to sort of look into their eyes. i have outsourced it to long island, which is that other sort of continent on the other side of manhattan and i find that being able to be with them and talk with them and hang with them is a critical component of getting things done the right way the first time. >> brian, you've never seen some of the developers you worked with. you wouldn't want to be hugging these guys. >> do you find the ones that are outsourcing are outsourcing domestica