pharmaceutical companies and cashing in on aids patients scientists from around the world are putting the disease under scrutiny at a conference in vienna where delegates about some breakthroughs in treatment. continue from now in the meantime cross-talk is promises coming up in just a moment today the battle against aids is under debate. if you can. get to. the lower end welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the aids biz fighting a deadly virus with the endless funding of big pharma how much consensus is there within the scientific community how much dissent is confronting the aids epidemic need a complete rethink. education. to discuss the world's largest medical problem i'm joined by denis broome in vienna he's the united nations aids regional director for europe and central asia in mine ham we have peter duesberg a professor of molecular and cell biology at the university of california berkeley and in new haven we go to steve catchier he's the president of global pharma insights and another member of our crosstalk team here on the hunger all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in ef

but as he is looking at what the pharmaceutical companies are cashing in on aids patients scientists from around the world are putting the disease under scrutiny at a conference in vienna delegates heard about some breakthroughs in treatment. more news more developments in less than half an hour from now in the meantime peter lavelle in these guest discuss if anything is holding back research into tackling aids in cross talk next on r.t. . hungry for the full story we've got it first hand the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers on. every month we give you the future we help you understand how we'll get there and what tomorrow brings the best in science and technology from across russia and around the world join us acknowledging update on our jeep. and you can. follow and welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the aids biz fighting a deadly virus with the endless funding of big pharma how much consensus is there within the scientific community how much dissent does confronting the aids epidemic need a complete rethink. and you can. start . to discuss th

next be developed his guest discuss if anything is holding back research into tackling aids that's up next in crosstalk. wealthy british scientists. margetts why not scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy in these kinds of reports on r.t. . if you. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the aid spears fighting a deadly virus with the endless funding of big pharma how much consensus is there within the scientific community how much dissent does confronting the aids epidemic need a complete rethink. take. to discuss the world's largest medical problem i'm joined by denis broome in vienna he's the united nations aids regional director for europe and central asia. in mind him we have peter duesberg a professor of molecular and cell biology at the university of california berkeley and in new haven we go to steve catcher he's the president of global farmer insights and another member of our crosstalk team on the hunger all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want then he said i to go to you first in vienna you'

low end welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the aids biz fighting a deadly virus with the endless funding of big pharma how much consensus is there within the scientific community how much dissent does confronting the aids epidemic need a complete rethink. continue. to discuss the world's largest medical problem i'm joined by denis broome in vienna he's the united nations aids regional director for europe and central asia. in mine him we have peter duesberg a professor of molecular and cell biology at the university of california berkeley and in new haven we go to steve catcher he's the president of global pharma insights and another member of our crosstalk team on the hunger all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want then he said i to go to you first in vienna you're at the can this international aids conference it's the eighteenth fund raising is an issue i seriously doubt awareness has to be an issue at least in the modernized industrialized world but everyone knows about this epidemic so what do you hope to achieve at this confere

i'm pleased to join the aids foundation today. the largest lead organization providing funding, cutting edge medicine and efficacy over a hundred thousand people in 22 countries. michael, tom, thank you for letting me come in on your parade and support you and what you're doing. i stand before you today as someone who's been living with hiv for eight years. i stand before you has been on the aids assistance drug program at one time in my life. and unfortunately, i address you this afternoon conflict by a feeling of accomplishment battled with a sense of defeat. at the very moment we should be celebrating the first-ever national aids strategy in the united states, we find nearly 2300 americans living with hiv/aids that we are aware of waiting to access the life savings medication. the wealthiest nation of the world begs the question where is the justice? who is looking out for the people living with hiv/aids waiting to access care? when will the relief that comforted the banks, financial institutions, although makers and people who

treatment killed huge number of aids patients in the early nineties and it is verifiable that aids treatment today is just less toxic than in the early ninety's and i would call for an open deep aid to test the best arguments and not for a majority vote in science which is totally dangerous and will lead us in the wrong direction to the damage of our patients ok with christian fellow doctor of medicine thanks very much appreciate it. europe remains in the tight grip of a heat wave in moscow the temperatures were really broken several records this summer on saturday some parts of the couple have been sizzling at thirty eight degrees celsius results reports know for many muscovites the burning sun just another reason of. he was. either. lying or. was. was. was was. was was was was. was of course of to have another son of a heat wave on the way and look at how european fire relying on russian helicopters . coming up. live in the opposite direction. it will be. tough immigration law in arizona is being criticized across the united states for allowing racial profiling the law that said to come in

on the cost of suffering human rights activists at an aids conference in ghana accuse pharmaceutical companies of keeping the price of drugs to come to the disease sky-high scientists hala but say they're getting closer to a breakthrough cure in the botched the games the condition would have killed over twenty five minutes so all. those are the headlines crosstalk is coming up next and today the battle against aids is under debate. oh and welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle the aids biz fighting a deadly virus with the endless funding of big pharma how much consensus is there within the scientific community how much dissent is confronting the aids epidemic need a complete rethink. education. to discuss the world's largest medical problem i'm joined by denis broome in vienna he's the united nations aids regional director for europe and central asia in mine ham we have peter duesberg a professor of molecular and cell biology at the university of california berkeley and in new haven we go to steve katter he's the president of global pharma insights and another member of our crosstal

today, we are releasing our national hiv aids strategy. [applause] this is the product of these conversations and conversations with hiv-positive americans and health-care providers with business leaders, with faith leaders, and the best policy and scientific minds in our country. i know that this strategy comes at a difficult time for americans living with hiv aids because we have cash-strapped states who are being forced to cut back on a cecil's -- on essentials including assistance for aids drugs. i know the need is great. that is why we have increased federal assistance each year i have been in office, providing an emergency supplement this year to help people get the drugs they need even as we pursue a national strategy that focuses on three central goals the first goal is prevention. we cannot afford to rely on any single prevention that alone so our strategy includes a comprehensive approach to reducing the number of new hiv infections from expanded testing so people can learn their status, to education so people can curb risky beha

vienna a group of over two thousand doctors claim the official theory that the hiv virus leads to aids is wrong they also say their views of being ignored by mainstream backed by big pharmaceuticals will watch as more from a little. they're questioning the validity of the common assumptions that are often associated with hiv and aids and they also question the traditional means of treatment with the with the aids with the drugs treatment not some of the more specific questions that they've raised in the last couple of days prior to the official conference and they've been holding their own talks things like the accuracy of the hate hiv test a person's defined as having a if they develop one of the twenty nine a finding diseases those are things such as pneumonia and. and as well as that test positive for hiv so a positive or negative hiv test community if it's between so on being diagnosed with pneumonia or being diagnosed with aids if they're calling into question the reliability of this very important test another thing they've been talking about is about the safety and effectiveness

is the cause of aids this is an. issue an issue that has been dealt with of course science has to be open to any new evidence but as far as we're concerned there certainly isn't any new evidence to demonstrate anything otherwise if i can just inject. that you say that this is an old issue and that it's been dealt with in what way has it been dealt with how is any clarification on the issue of whether a child b. is the only cause of aids been reached or definitely. i think certainly from the nine hundred ninety s. when a child it was. discovered that the the evidence is very clear that there is a cause that the hiv virus does cause deterioration in the immune system and that results in the disease that we know. well those among the scientific community that disagree with that all agree that all of the causes to the aids virus apart from h l e v suggest that it's possibly the issue of billions of dollars being at stake in the treatment of a child be it making it mainstream science that's the issue that's making mainstr

when the aids epidemic first hit the headlines in the one nine hundred eighty s. it caused widespread panic for a singer he was one of the first diagnoses when it was a terrifying experience for information was just records for a. very. short term. feature or even the first part is to. be. considered first. cigar since the discovery of aids three decades ago it's estimated a twenty five million people have died from the disease they've a sixty million people infected in that time according to the united nations u.s. scientists identified hiv as the cause and developed a successful test to detect its presence but this has itself been a subject to scientific disagreement some believe there are different causes of aids not just hiv and cause doubt in the standard aids test which is based on detecting the presence of the hiv virus whilst you might think there are only a small number of scientists who doubt the hate hiv aids their way or the conference is a list of around two thousand five hundred names all the scientists who challenge the classic definition some t. ha

national aids plan specifically targets gay and bisexual men and. ron simmons who is black gay and h.i.v. positive says targeting reese groups is actually a good thing and more efficient he has a support group for gay charity positive black man i was on the cusp of the wave of the sexual revolution so i had done all that stuff you know with a lot of i thought of knew that. so when i found out i was positive i wasn't surprised by while acknowledging lifestyle has a great deal to do with hiv diagnosis ron says people should avoid social stigma the thing that people with long from the hapless book think with their fall so tough luck don't get into how do you think that's not important how you guys think the fact is that you are but some scientists say that dealing with how it's contracted remains the key to its prevention to check on our t. washington d.c. . and the u.s. senate to set to vote on an extension of unemployment benefits democrats and republicans are deeply divided on the issue which has provoked fierce debate president obama has slammed hi

only calls for aid which kills two million people every year. much of europe has been gripped by a severe record breaking temperatures have been sleeping felt threatening crops and forcing people to find new ways to keep cool out song.

seeing as perhaps we can in their commitment to funding and now we've heard arguments such as hiv aids is they get funded these are being called false arguments is that there's really much much more that needs to be done there's still many people not receiving what people here are saying a life saving treatments and this is another really big issue here is this access universal access to hate hiv prevention treatment now we've heard today a former u.s. president bill clinton speaking and he's called for the hater of in a slogan ice agents to really ensure that they're efficient in the delivery of their services rather than complaining and perhaps about the fact that there's not enough funding to ensure that money's not being wasted anywhere specially in light of the economic situation that many of the speakers have been very powerful in the message and that's that everyone has a right to this treatment and health care shouldn't be an option this dependent on a price tag and certainly that's what forms the basis of this conference this week is this issue of human rights so it's really f

conference has shed light on all the major issues that challenge hiv as the cause of aids and aids as a sexually transmitted disease. well john the question that i wanted to ask you is that if you're rejecting conventional methods of treatment which you say are still strong what sort of alternative forms does your foundation have an offer. welcome vention treatment has actually caused the death of a whole generation of young gay men in america when they were on the high doses of aids their t. that is well documented not one single young man all women and there were a few women who took the high doses of aids that he has survived many many others have survived who haven't taken the antiviral and many have survived who have taken antivirals at times to damp down what essentially is an immune suppression for many many different reasons so it's extremely important to be challenging this hypothesis which of course is tied up with hundreds and billions of thousands of dollars of international money which have led to absolutely no result well jonah do we have reasons to believe that alternat

national aids plan specifically targets gay and bisexual men and. ron simmons who is black gay and h.i.v. positive says targeting reese groups is actually a good thing and more efficient he has a support group for gay charity positive black man i was on the cusp of the wave of the sexual revolution so i had done all that stuff you know with a lot of i sort of knew that. so when i found out i was positive i wasn't surprised by while acknowledging lifestyle has a great deal to do with hiv diagnosis ron says people should avoid social stigma we think of people with long from the hapless broken figure thought if they have fall so tough luck don't get into how did you get sick that's not important how you got sick the fact is that you are sick but some scientists say that dealing with how it's contracted remains the key to its prevention gannett check an r t washington d.c. . top story now seventy countries have gathered out a conference in kabul to discuss how to house security across the country to afghan forces by twenty fourteenth's talk more about t

the really cool aid all the tests accurate and all the aides say these are just some of the extremely controversial questions that it being asked by challenging the mainstream hiv and aids at the aids twenty ten conference and its second day here in vienna and nobody could give me the paper where. it is isolated in the way scientists. are asking for it since the seventy's and since the seventy's the other thing is that there doesn't exist any paper. shows if a chevy is existing how it is doing and the special situation to use there is a fully different thing in the western countries so according to western countries and the so-called development cost in countries in africa. or south america and so on so it doesn't fit in the norm of virus disease because viruses. can make very few things over the twenty five thousand people attending the official conference these have been met with extreme. and criticism and as we've seen in the contradict it has never been. well that's simply not true. it's been molecular weeklong d.n.a. cloning technologies it's been sequenced literally thousands of

aids strategy?uest: the bush administration did an outstanding job starting this overseas effort, the president's emergency plan for aids research, pepfar. we thank the bush administration for launching that. we still have a domestic challenge here with 1.1 million people infected. that's where president obama's vatty is focusing with this announcement of this strategy earlier this week. we hope the two together will make a difference for our country and around the world. host: your boss is going to be speaking about the capping of the gulf oil well. guest: good news. host: he's still not out there but we'll take a couple more calls. alicia, columbia, maryland. caller: good morning, gentlemen. let me say our love and blessings to the troops. doctor, i don't know your last name host: host: dr. koh. please go ahead, alicia. caller: could you kindly comment on how much osha has a hand on regulating and educating people who work with us like the dentists and the gynecologists? some of them will just com

aids meet ahead of an incentive can. the disease. taking our job spoken group in america claims that the legal immigrants are doing but many u.s. citizens refuse to do the work themselves. the solution to the. russian helicopters which help fight fires or enjoy.

aids. plus, ice skating down under. what better place than the beach. even in a cash strapped >>> i'm dennis o'donnell. coming up on "game day." will the owners be too hands on? john miller is going to the baseball hall of fame. not just a great announcer. he has got a pretty good vince scully impersonation. on the show tonight. >>> as getting quietly back to .500 breaking out the brooms today. all coming up on "game day" in just a few minutes. ,,,,,, raise mo million >>> evening in this cash strapped economy people found a way to raise more than $3 million for bay area aide aids. it will support local hiv prevention, testing and care services at 60 bay area organizations. the turnout shows they are not alone. >> me and my family are doing the aids walk in honor of my dad. he passed away 16 years ago from aids. >> they have raised more than $76 million since 1987 and has become the largest funds raiser for aids in northern california. >>> protestors disrupted the international aids conferen

i believe there are different causes of aids not just hiv and cause doubt in the standard aids test which is based on the taking the presence of the hiv virus whilst you might think there are only a small number of scientists who doubt the hate hiv aids there are a pair the conference is a list of around two thousand five hundred names all the scientists challenge the classic definition some to have different visas to treatment author and his doctor turned to therapy to conventional aids fighting drugs so strong is his belief in these other treatment methods that he's written of the twenty three years positive based on his experiences. songbird deserve an explanation for free market reforms or could live for the troops. still want to transfer from so from dissenting from the conventional view that hiv causes a so they can face even hostility from the scientific peer is not agreeing with the mainstream hiv theory of aids has even been compared to holocaust denial include a crime against humanity a science that is a life has to have permission to question a certain model of thinking serious

treatment killed huge number of aids patients in the early nineties and it is very fibers that aids treatment today is just less toxic than in the early ninety's and i would call for an open deep aid to test the best arguments and not for a majority vote in science which is totally dangerous and will lead us in the wrong direction to the damage of our patients were stories from r.t. coming your way this hour the indian government apologizes for secretly dumping toxic waste from the deadly gas leak while activists demand the u.s. firm blamed for the disaster to be brought to justice. also shared space r.t. looks back at how the relations between you ceasar in the us weren't after their first ever link up in orbit. and u.s. authorities have sat an iranian scientists allegedly abducted by american agents was a spy who supplied them with information shahram amiri who was working as a nuclear research or at a lot of tehran's universities claims to have been captured while on a pilgrimage to saudi arabia over a year ago and on his return to iran on thursday he was given a hero's welcome a

, national native american aids prevention center. the information presented in this radio special impacted kathy so much that she began spreading the word of h.i.v. in the native community. they began her work in h.i.v. prevention. she left the work in san francisco in 1998 to assist in the care of elder relatives in arizona. and and returned to native american health center in 2006 and began working with some of the same clients that she had worked with at native american aids project. she's currently employed as an h.i.v. substance abuse case manager in the circle of healing at the native american health center in san francisco. kathy chapman is of

national aids plan specifically targets gay and bisexual men and. ron simmons who is black gay and h.i.v. positive says targeting risk groups is actually a good thing and more efficient he has a support group for gay child the positive black man. or. because. i had done all this stuff you know what. i thought of. when i found out. while acknowledging lifestyle has a great deal to do with hiv diagnosis ron says people should avoid social stigma we think the people from the. fall. don't get. sick that's not important how you guys think the fact is that but some scientists say that dealing with how it's contracted remains the key to its prevention going to check on our t. washington d.c. . well we're now returning to afghanistan and the international conference taking place in kabul and as a container screen russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov has addressed no it's less now is it and that was in a communique of the forum which today the documents that has been prepared by the government of afghanistan. provides the necessary tools for it there is a

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thanks for joining us dissenting views in the medical community over what causes aids have come into sharp focus in vienna in advance of the conference on the disease to be attended by twenty thousand delegates in the city over two thousand doctors who have been attending a separate gathering are challenging the established order to see that the virus is the only cause of aids and some of them cite their views are ignored by a mainstream bought by big pharmaceutical companies. as mills the capital. they're questioning the validity of the common assumptions that are often associated with hiv and aids and they also question the traditional means of treatment with the aid with the drugs treatment not some of the more specific questions that they've raised in the last couple of days prior to the official conference and they've been holding their own talks things like the accuracy of the hague hiv test a person's defined as having a if they develop one of the twenty nine a finding diseases those are things such as pneumonia and. and as well as that test positive for hiv so a positive or n