i called up goldman sachs for -- ainslie and we would just four lee ainslie and we would just swap ideasi knew more about the details of tech, what worked and what didn't work and what companies were doing well, and ended up making tens of millions of dollars doing that. i then got together with my buddy, todd wagoner from indiana. he came to me with the idea. this new internet thing, is there any way we can listen to indiana basketball using the internet? i was like, that is a cool idea. 1995, early 1995. i'm like, let's try to figure it out. starting with a packard bell pc that i bought for $4000 at best buy or something, in the second bedroom of my house i just sat there and tried to figure out how we would do that. it went from 10 people the first to 1000, 20, thousands. we knew we had something within 30 days. david: you took the company public, is that right? mark: in 1998. david: the stock zoomed. hate to use the word zoom. it went up a lot. mark: it was the largest first day ipo bump in the history of the stock market at the time. did you say, i'm going to build this company fore