transport ministry officials and various international aviation experts have said that an air traffic controller simply doesn't have that kind of authority i'm slightly surprised mileages remarks that the controller should have been the plane to land it has been said and proven many times that under the existing regulations it's up to the captain of the special international flights to take an independent decision only takeoff and landing you know the air traffic controllers simply didn't have the right to. you see the problem is not being brave enough to admit some facts it's much more important that it's an unborn to be investigation is. readout and so new body should be afraid of its finding its spots the are crucial for the safety of future flights and disasters like that the polish side at the moment doesn't seem to be willing to accept the report published by the interstate committee as unbiased and detailed enough to its liking of course we'll keep you updated with any developments from here the polish capital. is country in a zone of there a correspondent let's get some more know from da

law first of all any decision on a final landing lies with the pilot and his crew but also air traffic controllers can only advise they can't deny all minding flocked of that. we have not found any evidence that the air traffic controllers were pressured the supervisor of the landing zone gave information about the plane's location as it was indicated on the radar monitor they were allowed to go down to the heights of one hundred meters they were not given permission to land. now in response to this news from poland the interstate aviation committee announced that they would make public the cockpit recordings in full obviously they believe that there's proof there that the air traffic controllers aren't to blame and the family of the late polish president first of all denied the findings of the interstate aviation committee ah but also pretty much blatantly blames russia for the death of president kaczynski in fact his son in law it said that the plane crash was a planned assassination in revenge against the chintz and to russian rhetoric and also to prevent him from being reelected but we've been

traffic control is all behind the plane tragedy. i think you know the the evidence speaks for itself alice the reports that we've seen today the cockpit voice recording the air traffic control recording. together paint a very clear picture that there were issues on board both the aircraft. with with traffic control which conspired to to cause this accident you know we're talking about very clear instructions here from air traffic controllers to the pilots that there were no conditions for landing. because of pressure we assume brought within the cockpit the pilots decided they were at least going to make an attempt to land that area so to be clear is there any question mark over the issue of whether that controllers could have done more to prevent the tragedy i can't see that they could have you know they issued warnings to the pilot numerous times the conditions for the landing existed it's also instructive to note that a conversation between another polish aircraft and the president's plane the transcript of that conversation reveals that the other polish air force pilot also warned the president's pilot that conditions for landing were very poor in the fe

law first of all any decision on a final landing lies with the pilot and his crew but also air traffic controllers can only advise they can't deny all minding and we know from congress recordings that in this case it was it was advised to the crew to land an alternate strip. the controller so the job was just to give a clearance to the crew if there is no obstacle on the runway and it is not in a position to ban the landing so in fact the polish investigation of the polish society in general probably even at the highest levels are looking for a missing link which is presumed order from moscow to for you smolensk controllers to. give the clearance. now in response to this news from poland the interstate aviation committee announced that they would make public the cockpit recordings in full obviously they believe that there's proof there that the air traffic controllers aren't to blame and it wouldn't be surprising if they came out with some kind of statement that it was unacceptable a warning to international law to blame those air traffic controllers what we've recently heard some strong rhetoric

that the entire conversation between the pilots of the polish presidential plane and the air traffic controllers in the airport just outside smolensk where the plane. rashed on it in april last year and of course in those recordings actually from those recordings it is evident that air traffic controllers did mourn the pilots against landing they did offer them to use a back up airport as was in their schedule they warn them about the light conditions not only that people on board monitoring system also warn the pilots took the whole lot but despite all that the plane still crashed let's have a listen to the recording of those last minutes. what are the weather conditions fog four hundred meters visibility temperature and pressure please temperatures plus two pressure seven forty five seven for fun if there's no opportunity for landing thank you but if it's possible try a landing approach weather permitting if not we will proceed to a second circle one of will and when you have enough fuel for a second circle after the landing approach yes we will making a landing approach is the captain's decis

officials transport ministry officials and various international aviation experts have said that air traffic controller simply doesn't have that kind of authority given to me and i'm slightly surprised mileage remarks that the air controllers should have forbidden the plane to land as it has been said and through the many times that under the existing regulations it's up to the captain of a special international flight to take an independent decision on takeoff and landing you know the air traffic controllers simply didn't have the right to ban the landing which you see the problem is not in being brave enough to admit some facts it's much more important that unbiased objective investigation is carried out and so nobody should be afraid of its findings they are crucial for the safety of future flights and for the avoidance of disasters like that the polish side at the moment doesn't seem to be willing to accept the report published by the interstate committee as unbiased and detailed enough to it's like and. as mentioned in the finding of the technical commission the investigation into the crash ended

air controllers are also partly responsible for the crash. that killed the polish president and his entourage saying that the air traffic controllers should have stopped the pilots from attempting to land should have forbidden them an opportunity and not granted them an opportunity to risk such a landing in such weather conditions however russian ministry officials transport ministry officials and various international aviation experts have said that an air traffic controller simply doesn't have that kind of authority that the decision the final decision whether to land a plane or not lies solely with the pilots given to me and i'm slightly surprised mileage remarks that the controllers should have forbidden the plane to land that has been saved and proven many times that under the existing regulations it's up to the captain of the special international flights to take an independent decision to only takeoff and landing my you know the air traffic controllers simply didn't have the right to. see the problem is not in being brave enough to admit some facts it's much more important that it's an unbiased objective investigation is carried out and

international law but only one has been expressing anger over the findings saying a russian air traffic controllers should have stopped the presidential plane from london while cutting those out of days in warsaw. back over to how exactly has russia's foreign ministry reacted to poland effectively slamming the report all of the interstate aviation committee. well the russian foreign minister addressed those very concerns alice and one of the first things that he took care to point out was the fact that despite the fact that some in poland attempted to make the report the result of you russian investigation he took care to remind everybody that it was the investigation of an interstate aviation committee where members of not only poland and russia but other countries experts from other countries were also involved so it is by no means a strictly russian investigation which might attempt to pursue russian only interests he also took care to mention that it would be unwise for anybody to attempt to gain political leverage from an event so tragic and so painful for the polish people for the entire poli

ranking polish officials on tuesday and basically they're looking to put the blame with russian air traffic controllers now that's despite international aviation laws which basically state that any final decision to land lies with the pilot and his crew but also that air traffic controllers can never deny a landing they can only advise to land at an alternate airport which we know from the cockpit recordings that was done several times in this incident in reaction to what we heard out of poland on tuesday the interstate aviation committee took an unprecedented move they published new transcripts of recordings that took place during that flight here's a piece of one of the conversations that was revealed. what are the weather conditions fog four hundred metres visibility temperature and pressure please temperatures plus two pressure seven forty five seven four five there's no opportunity for landing thank you but if it's possible we'll try a landing approach weather permitting if not we'll proceed to a second circle one a one when you have enough fuel for a second circle after the landing approach yes w

that the entire conversation between the pilots of the polish presidential plane and the air traffic controllers from those recordings it is evident air traffic controllers did . morning pilots again for landing they did offer them to use a back up airport as was in their schedule they warn them about the white conditions let's have a listen to the recording what are the weather conditions fog four hundred metres visibility temperature and pressure please temperatures plus two pressure seven forty five seven for fun if there's no opportunity for landing thank you but if it's possible try a landing approach weather permitting if not we will proceed to the second circle one a one when you have enough fuel for a second circle after the landing approach yes we will making a landing approach is the captain's decision at the height of one hundred meters you have to make a decision minsk and vitebsk will be requested for a sidetrack have you ever made to get a military airfield of course polish one a one at one hundred meters be ready to proceed to a second circle yes or flaps and wheels down high cont

david letterman told us why the air traffic controllers can't be blamed controllers do not have the right to refuse pilots something that they want to attempt they can only advise them they cannot refuse them so it is surely. a misleading statement and in a lot of parts of the world it's actually wrong for the polish president to say the controller should have told the pilot not to learn the controller did not have the right to tell the pilot not to make an attempt now with this final report delivered we now know that a criminal investigation will be launched but so far the committee is saying that there is not a single person that can be blamed for the accident. well let's get some reaction on this report now i'm joined by the leskie a polish member of parliament and this is alaska many thanks for being with us we know we've won the war ready seen quite an emotional reaction haven't we to the draft report on the investigators with prime minister to sgt blaming russian of flight controllers and that's despite experts saying the control is did not have the right to order the crew not to la

else's direction but incidentally i completely go along with the russian verdict on the on the air traffic controllers powers incidentally the air traffic controller did not clear this aircraft to land he had with withheld clearance for the aircraft to land and he wouldn't have had permission to stop an international flight like this one anyway if it had been a russian air force aircraft the controller could have told it to divert an international flight especially of this status the controller would simply go along and do everything that he could to help the captain achieve a safe approach but it's a very very emotive happening for for the polish people however i can tell you this if they try to carry out their own report in order to allocate a little more of the blame in the russian direction i think apart from some minor technicalities they will totally fail to do that. a huge multi-billion dollar deal between b.p. and russ now after all see both jointly develop potentially massive oil and gas deposits along russia's arctic continental shelf or the two parts of chemical giants take states of each o

else's direction but incidentally i completely go along with the russian verdict on the on the air traffic controllers. powers incidentally the air traffic controller did not clear this aircraft to land he had with with hold clearance for the aircraft to learn and he wouldn't have had permission to stop an international flight like this one anyway if it had been a russian air force aircraft the controller could have told it to divert but an international flight especially of this status the controller would simply go along and do everything that he could to help the captain achieve a safe approach now russia is among the world's twenty five least free nations when the u.s. gets a perfect score for washington a back to what freedom house of the level of the see around the world has declined for a fifth consecutive year with moscow listed as an all for tarion regime but one american author says as long as the u.s. is seen as a standard bearer for freedom the findings will lack credibility. well anybody gets to say anything we don't have to take it seriously i think such a report can be of some value but

else's direction but incidentally i completely go along with the russian verdict on the on the air traffic controllers incidentally the air traffic controller did not clear this craft he had with with held clearance for the craft to learn and he wouldn't have had permission to stop an international flight like this one anyway if it had been a russian air force aircraft. controller could have towed it to divert but an international flight especially of this status the controller would simply go along and do everything that he could to help the captain achieve a safe approach and still have the sour on our teeth case closed find out critics are slamming the u.s. for trying afghans an american core of being against the law. for that russia is among the world's twenty five least free nations while the us gets a perfect score the washington backed watchdog freedom house says the level of liberty around the world has declined for a fifth consecutive year with moscow listed as an authoritarian regime a lot of american author says as long as the us a seen as a standard bearer for freedom the findings will lac

else's direction but incidentally i completely go along with the russian verdict on the on the air traffic controllers powers incident the air traffic controller did not clear this craft to land he had with with hold clearance for the craft to land and he wouldn't have had permission to stop an international flight like this one anyway if it had been a russian air force aircraft the controller could have towed it to divert but in international flight especially of this status the controller would simply go along and do everything that he could to help the captain achieve a safe approach. and one polish m.p. believes the tensions over the report might influence relations with russia as politicians could use the tragedy to score points in the coming elections. the political temperature in poland is called for many reasons because of the social economic situation and first of all we are approaching the parliamentary elections . for english speaking of all these could be made. this debate over the election more report. and could be the main or one of the most important bones of. contention between the maj

poland we frequently heard people say that it could possibly be not only pilot error but also air traffic control error dispatchers that were on the ground in the air traffic control tower could have according to some who are employed and how forbidden of the plane to land now that of course that opinion has been met with skepticism from both russian officials and international aviation experts all of whom believe that it is the pilot's responsibility first and foremost to decide and his final word to decide. whether the plane attempts to land or not. given you mean a slightly surprised mileage remarks that the air controllers should have forbidden the plane to land it has been said and proven many times that under the existing regulations it's up to the captain of a special international flight to take an independent decision on takeoff and landing my you know the air traffic controller simply didn't have the right to ban the landing which you see the problem is not in being brave enough to admit some facts it's much more important that unbiased objective investigation is carried out and so nobo

that they believe that there were various factors involved in this crash one of them being air traffic controllers that were directing flights over that region but we spoke to experts though and one from the u.k. david letterman told us why the air traffic controllers can't be blamed. controllers do not have the right to refuse pilots something that they want to attend they can only advise them they cannot refuse them so it is it's actually. misleading statement and in a lot of parts of the world it's actually wrong for the polish president to say the controller should have told the pilot not to land the controller did not have the right to tell the pilot not to make an attempt. now the draft report did deem pilot error the cause of the crash so far in this final report we haven't heard that we are hearing that not one person is to blame but like i said we could hear otherwise as it's still ongoing but you have to remember also poland and russia have a deep and difficult history together when this first happened the tragedy it looked like they were going to work together vote very closely and thro

canada has a private air traffic control system. so, you know, cutting air traffic control would be a good thing in my view. >> brown: yes? >> i agree with chris that it would be good to rein in farm subsidies and business subsidies. under the republican proposals you're not allowed to do that in either of those areas. farm subsidies are an entitlement, separate part of the budget. most of the business subsidies are coming through tax breaks in the tax code. a separate part of the budget. we're talking about really a very large cuts overnight. we should keep in mind that the part of the budget they want to take $100 billion out of, one third of that part of the budget is federal grants to state and local governments. they already have huge budget holes. >> brown: it would fall on them. >> it would fall on them. they'll they'd fire even more teachers. they'd cut backfire and police even more. >> brown: what about that? would it be thrown on to the states and local governments that don't have any money. >> i think the federal governmen

else's direction but incidentally i completely go along with the russian verdict on the on the air traffic controllers hours incidentally the air traffic controller did not clear this craft to learn he had with with hold clearance for the aircraft to learn and he wouldn't have had permission to stop an international flight like this one anyway if it had been a russian air force aircraft the controller could have told it. to divert an international flight especially of this status the controller would simply go along and do everything that he could to help the captain achieve a safe approach but it's a very very emotive happening for the polish people however i can tell you this if they try to carry out their own reports in order to allocate a little more of the blame in the russian direction i think apart from some minor technicalities they will totally fail to do that one a polish and he believes politicians in his country could use the tragedy to score points in the upcoming parliamentary elections. the political temperature in poland is called for many reasons because of the social economic situati