back with me, jason johnson, aisha mills and steve schmidt. jason, first, is there a rebuttal to that argument that is messy as obviously negative as it looked with a fox news moderator of all moderators repeatedly having to rebuke donald trump. saying, well, when i get away with it as he flexed during the convention, hey, they told me i couldn't use the white house, but here we are. what's the rebuttal? >> the rebuttal to that is, it doesn't end up helping you with voters and that's ultimately what matters. if you think about it, heading into this debate, what was donald trump's team talking about. oh, joe biden, we need to inspect his microphone. we need to have him take a drug test. we need to see who is the highest in the room. they wanted us discussing all of this nonsense beforehand. that doesn't make you look tough if you're complaining about the ground rules before you get in. when you actually scream and yell the whole time. i've paid a lot of attention to this. i looked at some of the online streaming about undecided voters or weak p

. >> let's bring in my panel of political strategists, democrat aisha mills and republican susan dellress eeo. you know, susan, a lot of people will say why do we talk so much about race, and now it's a central issue in this political campaign. but i don't think that people understand that it is unavoidable to discuss if you are victimized by it. you and i have talked a lot over the last couple of years, and i've talked about it on this show, the nine years i've hosted it. if you're born black, you inevitably are going to have to deal with race. when i was born, they stamped on your birth certificate, at that time the term was "negro" and that determined just about where your education was going to be, your job opportunities, what zip code you were going to live in. how do you not talk about a circumstance that you are in, that you had no blame or no choice in, and that is imposed by society? and this president acts like, oh, they're just race baiting. no, we're race living, trying to make this country fair for everyone. and some republicans have, in many ways, said let's deal with it

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