missioner ajami? >> commissioner ajami: i'm increased to eso all the work that has gone into it. >> commissioner paulson: i'm having dealty -- difficulty hearing everything. the slides illustrated everything with the narratives. i want to remind everybody that with the different project labor agreements that the agency has put together to do so much work that's done, especially in the contracted out sector, there's still an opportunity to talk about the apprenticeship programs which included everything in there. on the job training, recruitment and diversity, school set and mentoring and support and whatever else. can also be utilized with folks that do the maintenance and smaller jobs on staff at the p.u.c., which is what this ongoing report is all about. not just the stuff that's being done to build. the pictures you had, lot of the pictures you had did not reflect what some of the folks get up and jump in the trucks do everyday on 18-story high-rise that they are building with another carpenter, pl

that is the reality of it. >> yes, commissioner ajami, did you have comments? >> maybe this is a different way of asking the same question. does this mean that we will depending upon what you said, you will continue going through the process? is this going to be the process and going to be going different direction? that is my question. i think it goes to what commissioner harrington and commissioner paulson are mentioning for the understanding what is it that we are involved in at this point? >> i think they are different options. one is to have abbreviated. could you may be answer those better than i could. >> i will do my best. i likely will not refer to anything from stockholm or sweden to explain it. the point was actually well-taken. there is a political reality and there is a -- you want to make the best decision for the organization given the information you can obtain. what i will tell you is this. you control what that process is. you have the ability to say we want to shorten it substantially and include the mayor's preferred candidate as someone we

yes, commissioner ajami? >> i just also want to thank the tribal leaders and michael for -- and the rest of the staff for bringing this to us and talking about this. this is definitely a very important issue. to be honest, i'm very excited to hear about the visiting center and to have an opportunity for people to learn more about the land. i think there's nothing more valuable than education and knowledge, and that's the only thing that can move us all forward, and i am also looking forward to taking my kids there. to be honest, i have learned so much through school classes and other classes that they have, and i would appreciate going there and learning even more. so i will be behind commissioner paulsen as he's waiting in line to see what's going on there. and i think it's a great idea to start the meetings, so i'm also adding my voice to that. >> thank you. commissioner moran? >> thank you. i echo all of those commissions. this is something that we've been talking about for a very, very long time, and, you

so that was commissioner ajami thank you for that. >> thank you. commissioner harington. >> i think you've done a good job of putting together a package and also looks at the health and organization to keep it going. just one clarification, when you talk about a 5% increase over a 5% gap, that's only on the generation portion. so if you're looking at a total bill, we would only be something like 2% or 2.5% pg&e at the rate. is that right? >> yes. that's correct. >> thanks. >> president: god point. i have a question couple of my neighbors called me and hijacked me on the street and said, i don't know about this because my daughter moved in and the kids don't get home until 4:00. she doesn't start cooking until 4:00. my husband and i are retired but it gets cold around 4:00 and we turn the heater on. so i'm just not sure about it and, of course, i couldn't help much because you, i mean, i'm sitting in a room and the windows are closed, but the curtains are blowing and you know what that means, there's a draft. so what can we do? are there any tips th