commissioner ajami? >> yeah, i think -- i agree. i mean, i think we probably on some of these responses, we looked at it individual and focused on that. and, you know, i like what you said about industry practices on the potholing one. that is fine. that would make sense. it's a good solution. i think, i probably have the largest disagreement with 2. and, you know, i used to be a general contractor and i actually probably, you know, i have -- i'm probably more open to contractors than a lot of people on our construction management side because of that. but there is a certain group of people and especially we set up our game when it's low bid. when it's not best value, when we're not trying to negotiate something that is fair with the contractor, we're just saying put your lowest number in. there are contractors that will use services or try to figure out where they can find the change order. where they can twist the words in the contract and i just think opening this up is going to put us at a disservice

commissioner ajami. >> just, julie, thank you for answering all of those questions. the same questions. my general question was on the last two items with hot watery circulating and also the gray water piece. how much is the cost of doing that? i don't think you touched on it but the second question i have for you. do we do advertisement or outreach when people are remodeling or doing major remodeling they have to get a permit from sfpuc, hey, since you are doing this there are a few other things to consider as part of your project. just because some of these projects are easier to be done than your, you know, in the midst of other activities and harder to kind of do without thinking about the process. those are my questions. >> in terms of the cost for hot water pumps, the actual pump and associated parts range between about $100 to $500. again, rebate is set at $100. this is the first year we have done this program. when we see the cost of what people pay we may adjust that. that doesn't include if they decide not to put it in themselves and they hire a plumber. th

commissioner ajami. >> just, julie, thank you for answering all of those questions. i had the same questions. my general question was on the last two items with hot watery circulating and also the gray water piece. how much is the cost of doing that? i don't think you touched on it but the second question i have for you. do we do advertisement or outreach when people are remodeling or doing major remodeling they have to get a permit from sfpuc, hey, since you are doing this there are a few other things to consider as part of your project. just because some of these projects are easier to be done than your, you know, in the midst of other activities and harder to kind of do without thinking about the process. those are my questions. >> in terms of the cost for hot water pumps, the actual pump and associated parts range between about $100 to $500. again, rebate is set at $100. this is the first year we have done this program. when we see the cost of what people pay we may adjust that. that doesn't include if they decide not to put it in themselves and they hire a plumb