pakistani relations i'm joined by akhmed my g.d.r. in washington he is a senior research associate at the american enterprise institute also in washington we have robert right near he is chairman of the advisory board of e.r. g. partners and the cia's former top counterterrorism official all right gentlemen this is crosstalk that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it but first let's go to our correspondent is it doesn't look like these two countries are at loggerheads or are they going to have a collision well we'll see if it goes this far but it does appear that all efforts to mend this troubled relationship are experiencing repeated reversal we've seen this year the killing of two pakistanis by a cia contractor me sas nation of osama bin laden more recently but he was accusations of pakistan's collaboration with militants and now a deadly nato air strike that hits an all time low. the attack last friday were still at least twenty four pakistani soldiers has tossed outrageousness long about and prompted