theo said mom, why are you so tough on al franken?ot okay to grope a woman without consent or forcibly kiss a woman without consent. >> where are you on biden? >> the first woman said she felt demeaned. it's an issue he will have to address with the voters. >> should he quit? >> he will have to talk about it. >> people are going to ask me. do you call on him to leave the race? >> i do not and it's something he will have to address. the truth is that we as a country have to decide whether we value women at all. it's a day in the year when a woman has to work up until today to earn the same as a white man doing the same job. do we value women? >> there is something wrong with you if you do. one of the candidates for president of the united states. trump complain he's gets so little appreciation for being what he said is the best thing to happen to puerto rico. s the g to happen to puerto rico you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyf

we saw this play out in the alabama special election with roy moore and al franken allegations, picturesfaced and democrats pressured him to step down. i think that was the right call then. we'll have to see if there is a big deal that they will allow their primary and front-runner to shape the debate in this way. >> there's certainly no comparison to roy moore. >> absolutely not. i'm saying they had an issue within the vain, coming up and so the party had to decide how seriously they were going to take anything not comparing or equating the two at all. >> of all people, lindsey graham has come out defending joe biden. take a look. >> i think he's one of the most decent people i've ever met. i don't believe for a second that he meant to do anything wrong and i can understand why people took it differently than he meant. this may be a lesson from all of under the circumstances. from my point of view joe has been the same, kind, he's joe. joe biden is my friend. i know him very well. whatever he did was inappropriate but was not driven by malice or misconduct. >> we all know joe biden. his

>> jessica: my impression was -- obviously al franken was under it a national microscope in a differentlot of the the playe. senator gillibrand, others. my impression has been, especially from the black caucus in virginia, that there has been a lot of pressure on justin fairfax about this. >> kennedy: to resign or to stay? >> jessica: to address it, to make sure this is -- >> kennedy: to address it satisfactorily? >> jessica: i think is making an effort to address it as well as he can. but i don't know if one does if they are sure they did not do this thing and they are continuing to be accused of it. he is saying, "my life is going to be ruined because of something i did not do." that's what he reflected in that statement. >> brian: this story keeps getting buried, and it comes up every once in a while. why does it keep getting married, why did we lose track of it? that's curious. the moment we are in, this thing gets buried. >> jessica: we've got to go. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. the newday va cash out loan can help you get over 50,000 dollars to pay off the credit card debt

. >> al franken.without their permission, you held them somewhere unfamiliar without their permission, i mean, people have been upset about this, particularly in the democratic party, does that make it more complicated, though, because it's been a whole lot of same celebrities that have been at the forefront of the me too era, pushing that, who are saying well, maybe joe gets a pass? >> well, i wonder whether actually the al franken example, i think democrats are starting to say maybe they pushed him out too quickly. gillibrand is getting backlash for having done that because he was a very important member of the party. i think that maybe that actually helps biden, they might go easier on him, they might circle the wagons. they care about beating trump. >> let me say this. i think the joe biden situation could potentially upend the democratic me too outrage machine. let's just say joe gets beyond this. he's going to be battling the past and i just don't mean, you know, these allegations. more so in th

if it happened five years ago, why not do this when al franken was being targeted? why now? we all know why. >> juan: answer the question. >> dana: she was a member of the burning campaign. she is affiliated with beto o'rourke now. maybe she wants some attention. i don't know. i'm i think she didn't feel weird about this. i don't know. i've been in washington a long time and i've been around joe biden a few times. i've never felt in anyway or heard heard in any way that his way of showing affection as he calls it has been inappropriate or people thought that it was sexual. she feels uncomfortable, okay. >> lisa: it's a political hit job. that's why it is. that's why the timing is now. this is a warning shot to joe biden of what he's going to face if he wants to jump in the race. i've worked on campaigns and an opposition research. this is exactly what that is. unfortunately for joe biden, there's endless amounts of video and photos of him being quite frankly creepy that are out there. we've seen it before with the me too movement, how it's weaponized against political oppone

. >> al franken was the first, literally the first. the movement was kicking itself off and they needed a high profile person that could punish the show and how important they really were. and he had to walk the plank. and that gilda brand person out of new york led the group of people. >> we also have the lieutenant governor of virginia who doesn't have extreme precautions. >> how does that work with joe biden? >> joe biden has difficulty explaining himself, simply because i think he hugged everybody, men and women. >> i watched in real time when he made that joke and i kind of wondered, in that moment how it was going to be received, if he was going to be accused of making light of serious allegations. >> one of his accusers, the nevada lieutenant governor candidate, flores actually tweeted yesterday that it's pretty clear he has not really reflected on what he has done and really has no intention of truly making amends for his actions that have made some folks really uncomfortable. you know, it has continued with issues there. i wan

. >> i remember with al franken, there were people that criticized the democratic party with how theybut in defense of that, people like kirsten gillebrand said we can't necessarily have anybody vulnerable to attacks like this. we need to make sure we draw a very hard-line when it comes to any complaints coming from women, whether it's something that just makes someone uncomfortable to other more harsher accusations or more extreme accusations. is this going to make it harder for democrats who want to make president trump's history with women a campaign issue when you have someone like joe biden running for president? >> i think it does. it is a bit different. it is funny, you know, the president the other night at a dinner, joking welcome to the club joe. i think it is a difficult, you know, space to navigate. we haven't seen any big name 2020 candidates yet say that joe biden shouldn't run. i think they are all really trying to figure out how to go about this and how to approach this, especially, in these changing times. it does make it a bit difficult and i think what people will d

it seems as if when everything went down with al franken, the democrats drew a line in the sand, thaty had a very low bar with regards to anything like this. whether it be something that made someone feel uncomfortable with a hug, all the way up to sexual assault. or sexual harassment. now it seems like they are wa e wavering. >> i don't know, the trigger with al franken was pulled too quickly. we have a lieutenant governor and governor in virginia folks said should leave office. what are they doing? they're staying in office. they're resolute about that, amid a lot of people saying they should have done that differently and made a different decision. so i think right now everybody is trying to sort of be careful because of joe and who he is and who he has been for the party. and you know, i think christine is right, is absolutely right. he'll do something that's awkward, then he'll seem to connect with everybody, and then do something awkward again. in all of those instances that's joe biden. he runs from the evuncular, embracing and empathetic person -- >> i guy who inserts his foot

i pointed straight to kirsten gillibrand, who was the first to throw al franken, her squash partner,linton, who was a huge supporter of hers, along with hillary clinton, that he should have resigned over the monica lewinsky scandal. she was doing it for her own gain. and many people felt like al franken was pushed out way too quickly without him -- and having his due. again, as i said earlier, this is the party of self, not service. can i see one quick thing about joe biden? pete sosa, the white house photographer, under president obama, he also worked in the reagan administration -- i think that joe biden's own words work in his interest. pete souza posted on instagram, a letter from joe biden that he wrote to pete souza's 90-year-old mother. i encourage people to read it because it's very emotional. let's listen joe biden. >> i hope it wasn't taken that way, but there was -- i literally think it's incumbent upon me, and i think everybody else, to make sure that if you graze someone, touch someone, that it's with their consent regardless of your intentions. if you are trying to brin

the one i feel bad about is al franken who did less than the vice-president and his career ended.mething. >> sean: he is creepy. last word, dan? >> it is one thing you never want to be as a dude is a close talker creepy dude. you just don't! >> [laughing]. >> sean: oh. i love geraldo rivera. i would whack him! >> laughing launching. e -- [laughing]. >> sean: brated actor alec baldwin. i have the best tape you have ever seen. you have to see this next and jesse watters straight ahead. ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to [ laughing ] ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] ♪ [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. ♪ progressive helps keep you out there. >> sean: crazy alec baldwin very angry man. becoming more and more unhinged. well, he is obsessed with fox news and talk radio and yours truly. we had our back and forth over the years. look at him attacking me. he was on with howard stern. >> hannity is an idioted and an untalented idiot. what about this immigration? he is like a long island working class buff

i think this is a strange moment for the democratic party is there was backlash to forcing al frankenf thesont. among female donors, leaders in the party. so this is still being debated within the party and it's not just the opinion of lucy flores and this other woman it might be disqualifying. year having another conversation. i'm not sure the primary electorate has resolved itself on a lot of issues and it's not known what voters are going to say. i'll be interested to see how far senator brand and gillibrand and sanders are going to take this. >> we haven't said the name donald trump in this segment. but a man who grabbed about grabbing women in the bleep will be the opponent for whom ever. >> this is not a general election issue for joe biden, it can't boo, it won't be. >> i'm not sure. remember that donald trump brought paula jones to a debate. i'm not sure it won't be an issue. >> you're a brave woman to do it. thank you both. coming up. >>> help wanted in the trump administration. must be on board with building that wall. >> what happened in the past few months that the preside

we saw with al franken actually is a perfect example of that when the democratic party feels that onef their own stands in the way of their pursuit of power they will destroy that person. that is the time that they will destroy, and that's why you're here all of this person about the way joe biden is grabbing at people now, rather than over the many years we've seen this evidence pileup. lou: and it makes you kind of wonder about why former president obama hasn't immediately gravitated to his candidacy and enforced him. let's turn to the national emergency at hand, kayleigh. this president, 46 days ago, declaring a national emergency, since then its only worsened and the action that's been taken at this point is in conspicuous i'll put it that way. your thoughts about how this handling of this emergency is going and how it important it is politically to keep a promise to get that border secure and to end this nightmare at the border >> yeah, look, this president has done, taken measures to solve this and the national emergency, the veto, withholding aid, the list goes on and on, offer

we saw with al franken actually. superb example of the.ne of their own stands in the way of their pursuit of power they will destroy that person. that is the time they will strike and that's why you're hearing all this concern about the way that joe biden grabs people now rather than the many years he seen the seventh iowa. lou: it makes you kind of wonder why former president obama hasn't immediately gravitated to his candidacy and endorsed him. let's turn to the national emergency at hand k. lee. this president 46 days ago declaring a national emergency and since then it has only worsened and the action that has been taken at this point is inconspicuous. i will put it that way. thoughts about how the handling of this emergency is going and how important it is politically to keep a promise to get that order secured and to end this nightmare at the border. >> this president has taken innumerable measures to solve this. a national emergency of veto and withholding aid offering deals never short of building a structure under southern order b

senator al franken isn't in congress anymore and jeanne shaheen dropped off the bill this year and nohave signed on since. does that put him in a tough spot? >> not really because in part i think the american people are where he is. >> and that's what matters. >> that's what matters today. they want to see some movement on this. i thank others that have come before him, hillary clinton and brau barack obama by raising this issue of health care. >> he needs to tell us how he's going to pay for it, right? >> it's why they took back the house in 2018 is health care, health care, health care being but they've moved so far to the help, it gives democrats and senate republicans -- democrats are saying you won't allowed to have any and that might scare voters. >> you think so? >> i think it might. remember when barack obama kept saying you can keep, you can keep and you couldn't. that was a problem, right? some people wanted to say he lied. i don't think he lied. but voters don't want any surprises on something like health care. it's too important. >> there's going to be a big surprise. the

i think this is a strange moment for the democratic party is there was backlash to forcing al frankent. among female donors, leaders in the party. so this is still being debated within the party and it's not just the opinion of lucy flores and this other woman it might be disqualifying. year having another conversation. i'm not sure the primary electorate has resolved itself on a lot of issues and it's not known what voters are going to say. i'll be interested to see how far senator brand and gillibrand and sanders are going to take this. >> we haven't said the name donald trump in this segment. but a man who grabbed about grabbing women in the bleep will be the opponent for whom ever. >> this is not a general election issue for joe biden, it can't boo, it won't be. >> i'm not sure. remember that donald trump brought paula jones to a debate. i'm not sure it won't be an issue. >> you're a brave woman to do it. thank you both. coming up. >>> help wanted in the trump administration. must be on board with building that wall. board with building that wall. woman: this is your wake-up call.

for everyone else it sticks, looking at al franken there is one instance that is worse, but the charges were something similar he was too touchy and handsy feely, there is no evidence that joe biden did anything beyond that, but this is enough to -- >> in this day and age you can't touch anyone, like a -- >> that frustrates democrats. kennedy: they have created this cotton candy doll house for themselves. >> i agree, they have asked for perfecttion from all candidates. kennedy: that is impossible, you can't go to your past and undo stupid things you have done, what does joe biden do? >> i hope for his sake he does not run for president, this woman number two in afternoon, he did same thing in 2015 by the way he kept delaying his announcement, then he never announces. so he has been playing hamlet for a long time. there is 12 people running for president. you know who think they have a shot right now, you think that it will be limit add the -- how many pictures are on drudge right now, of -- >> i went to -- i have not been on a google deep dive like that since i became a hillary while h

the first of democrats to call for senator al franken to resign for sexual misconduct delegation and struggled to explain the difference. >> they are different, senator franken obviously had eight credible allegations against him that were corroborated in real-time. not that he didn't have the right to stay on and do an ethics investigation and sue every woman who came out against him. those are his decisions. >> that was leslie. gillibrand says biden will have to address those allegations with the voters. shannon: thank you. to the women going public with stories about the vice president's touchiness posing a new set of questions to the me too movement and the democratic party. doug mcelway has that report. >> if you accuse joe biden 30 years ago of being creepy, or violating women's personal spaces you would have been left away. as sponsor of the violence against women act he was arguably without senate. in championing women's causes. 20 years later, presidential candidate obama cited that in the campaign ad directed women voters. >> when he added joe biden to the ticket it sealed

incredibly strange moment for the democratic party in which there was a backlash to forcing senator al franken out of the senate. there was a backlash against senator gill brand among female donors, big female leaders in the party. this is actually still being debated within the party. and it's not just the opinion of lucy flores and this other woman that this might be disqualifying. it's actually a real live debate. and i think that, you know, we're having another conversation about -- i don't know that the primary electorate has resolved itself on a lot of issues and i think it's really unknown at this point just what the voters are going to say and where his poll numbers are going to go. i'll be interested to see how far senator warren and senator gill brand. i'm not sure the voters will turn on joe biden. >> the irony. we haven't said the name donald trump in this segment. but a man who an access hollywood tape bragged about grabbing women in the bleep -- >> this is not a general election issue for joe biden should he become the nominee. it can't be. it won't be. it's only a primary campai

look at al franken. they gave him the boot as soon as those allegations emerged, his own, you know, colleagues in the senate, female colleagues turned on him. and he was done. >> that's a good point. and kristen giuliallibrand face some questions about that. >> how do these 16 candidates face off against one another in the next few months. president trump wants them to pick one another off and do his bidding for him. >> thanks to both of you. thanks for your reporting. >>> next a huge surprise for our economy today. what is it and will it last? i'm going to give you a hint, it's some good news. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" right here on msnbc in washington, d.c. you know that look? that life of the party look. walk it off look. one more mile look. reply all look. own your look with fewer lines. there's only one botox® cosmetic. it's the only one fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after inje

you think back to the al franken days and dems have really drawn a reasonable doubt line on this. >>t knn respectful of the two women who have come forward so they're a little bit in a bind. i wouldn't be surprised if you see a candidate or two try to distinguish themselves on being more harsh on bidebiden. biden does have stature and a long relationship with most people running. also these aren't like me-too allegations, they're allegations that someone who has ever been around biden knows, he's a very touchy, feely, affectionate guy. it happens the two people felt very uncomfortable about it. so people are wrestling whether this is something they should speak out about. >> let me get your feeling about mayor pete buttigieg. he's raised $7 million in the quarter. that has impressed a lot of people. how do you explain he has managed to somehow break out early on in this crowd and get that kind of early fund-raising? >> also, if that momentum is going to last. >> i think there's just -- we always underestimate authenticity and just being normal. i think people are so tired of people b

they had more of a zero tolerance approach to former senator al franken and the allegations he facingst in nature, he was accused by multiple women of groping and by at least one of forcibly kissing her with former vice president joe biden, like we said, the allegations have not been sexual in nature, they are a violation of personal space so it does force democrats to have a more nuance conversation around allegations of inappropriate behavior and to define maybe a more distinctive platform when it comes to the me-too movement. >> sabrina, thank you. gloria and dog brinkley, he has a new book out, "american moot shot", douglas brinkley, thank you. >>> just into cnn, the house intelligence committee is seeking an interview and documents from a party planner involved in trump's inauguration. we have details on what it is they would like to know, next. ♪ - [woman] with shark's duo clean, i don't just clean, i deep clean carpets and floors, so i got this. yep, this too, and this, please. even long hair and pet hair are no problem, but the one thing i won't have to clean is this because th

i wonder what democrats think of this now post-al franken, a lot of people feel like that wasn't the to do to push him out. charles: heat of the moment. heat of the "me too" movement? >> senator gillibrand who was ringleader there doesn't regret any of that. this discussion is certainly one that we are having whereas republicans don't take such nuanced perspective -- charles: everyone lives within their own parameters, right what is important to them. i will bring you ladies back. a lot of other images coming up. some are fake, photoshopped. some are authentic, so the biden team will have their hands full for a while. thank you both. >> thank you, charles. charles: lyft falling below the ipo price on second day of trading but there are plenty other unicorns ready to go public. ceo of startup, casper, if they are looking to jump in after this monsterous funding push. we'll be right back. ♪ i'm working to keep the fire going for another 150 years. ♪ to inspire confidence through style. ♪ i'm working to make connections of a different kind. ♪ i'm working for beauty that begins with natu

it seems when everything went down with al franken, the democrats drew a line in the sand that they hadw bar with regard to anything like this. whether it be something that made someone feel uncomfortable with a hug, all the way to sexual assault, or sexual harassment. now it seems like they are waiving. >> i think there are a lot of people who feel trigger was pulled too quickly. the truth is we've got a lieutenant governor and a governor in virginia right now that a lot of folks had said should probably leave office. what are they doing? they're staying in office. they're pretty resolute about that. people saying they should have made a different decision. so serve trying to be careful because of joe and who he has been for the party. i think kristine is absolutely right. he'll do something awkward. then he'll seem to connect with everybody and then do something awkward again. in all of those, that's joe biden. he runs from the embracing and empathetic person. >> and he is a guy who inserts his foot in his mouth all the time. which we know well about. >> i think we look at that, why w

al franken should have had a hearing. donald trump should have had a hearing. >> there was no hearing. justin fairfax is still lieutenant governor. >> there should be a legislative hearing to figure out what he did, if there is -- what the truth of the assertions are. i'm all for that. i agree with you. you can't just accept anything somebody says. you have to have a fact-finding mission. >> sean: governor -- >> sometimes the voters are smarter than we are. 65% of -- 55% of african americans want governor northam to stay on. >> sean: governor, i'm happy to have your truth tonight. i want to say that. thanks for joining us. >> he doesn't give a very good show. >> sean: i'll remember that. up next, an laura ingraham exclusive. jared kushner responding to breaking news that he shouldn't have received a security clearance and redemption. don't go away. >> she says she has grave concerns about potential national security implications. do you pose a grave national security concern to the country, jared kushner? t safelite autog

margaret carlson, columnist for the daily beast who wrote this piece, don't give joe biden the al frankenreatment democrats. and emily writing joe bide n created the culture he is a target of. >> joe biden was the point man effort of the obama administration to send sexual assault on campus, a very worthy goal. and as he repeatedly said, change the culture between men and women on campus and beyond. well, it succeeded, and now he's being bitten by his own success. because all of the things that you and frank bruni were just saying about not being hyper sensitive, about understanding someone is not meaning to harm, go out the window on campus. there are young men who have had their education ended for unwanted kisses, for the kind of behavior joe biden is engaged in. and i wish joe biden, in addition to examining how he touches women would look at what's happened on campus and how he has helped create this world that is too hypersensitive. >> margaret carlson, i feel like i should say margaret carlson, because, man, did i love that show. >> thank you. >> you say we're all bidens now, right

of course al franken is who she's referring to there. the question is this.f joe biden decides to jump in, it's if any of this can keep him out and change the calculations and what other democrat candidates choose to use as an issue ufbt this. this is something that changes the biden calculation, but they say his plans haven't change. >> thank you very much, jeff. and i want to go now to our political commentators joan walsh, and maria cordona, democratic strategist. so maria, you've seen these allegations that are out there. you don't thinkthality they are necessarily disqualifying for joe biden, why? >> well, look, let's be very clear this certainly does not rise to the level of any kind of sexual assault or a sexual allegation, and we just need to remember that. however, i do think that it's -- it depends on how joe biden continues to respond to these, whether they are going to be disqualifying. i think that if he apologizes to lucy flores, apologizes to this woman who now has her story in the hartford current and he publicly says he needs to go a little b

joe biden is not al franken, is not donald trump. the relativism matters. and this can only be about how the democrats decide right now to see it. let's be honest, i'll get beat up for this, this is what the media does, man, it loves people up and it tears them down. you know, joe biden should run, we love joe, uncle joe, as soon as he's a step away from deciding to run, bam. >> bam. >> here it comes. it's like that for everybody. beto o'rourke. he's the man, the white houobam and now they want something. >> it's all platitude. why is he standing on the bar? >> good for all of them, ride the ride, but know that the hill has two sides. >> one thing that i have been screaming at the television about, because you don't know, joe biden -- bernie sanders denies he had anything to do with this, with this joe biden thing. >> as opposed to what? i'm not saying that bernie sanders had anything to do with it, but who would say they did? >> well, i shouldn't say probably, we don't know who it is, it could be a trump supporter, it could be a republican. >> an additiona

interesting is that he doesn't actually condemn the behavior of any of these me too men, you know, al franken, joe biden, it's more about oh, they look weak, or they are forced to apologize. not hey they should have acted better. >> it's more mocking their response to all of it. >> good point. let me get your thoughts about how all of this, the revelations, some of these claims made by the women over the past several days, speaking out against the former vice president are going to impact his 2020 campaign roll out? >> well, obviously, it's disrupted it horribly for the former vice president. but i think that it indicates that he should have gotten in earlier so he had a proper campaign apparatus instead of using one spokesman who is left to bear the brunt of tons of media inquiries and joe biden has not been on tv. i'm sure you would welcome him on your show. >> gladly. >> he needs to respond -- >> any time. >> he needs to get out there to set his own narrative, and the fact that he's letting other candidates kind of pile on and say well i believe the women, that has made it much harder for

the one i feel bad about as al franken, who did so much less than the vice president, and his career he do? he faked something, sleeping --f >> sean: he's creepy come too. >> he's not as creepy. >> sean: last read, dan bongino. >> the one thing you never want to be,be okay, as a dude, is the close talker creepy dude. you just don't. i don't know any sophisticated way to say that. you don't want to be the close talking creepy dude. >> sean: if it was my wife, what would you do? >> just picked her grandpa any teeth [laughter] >> alec baldwin, weight! >> sean: b rate actor alec baldwin picking a fight. i have the best take tape you'r seen. you've got to see this. and jesse watters straight ahead. >> sean: crazy ale >> sean: crazy alec baldwin, very angry man, becoming more and more unhinged. he's obsessed with fox news, talk radio, and yours truly. look at our back and forth over the years. listen to him attacking me, they wait for mark levin, he was on with howard stern. take a look at this. >> hannity is an idiot and he's untalented. he has no talent whatsoever. he has none. he's a ra

remember, howie, we would not be talking about this in these terms if it hadn't been for al franken being then there was a backlash against kristin gillibrand, why are you purpling our wonderful candidate? -- purging our wonderful candidate? biden knows this, he knew it for a while, so i don't think that'll stop him. howard: yeah. i think he had to figure out some of this would come out, but the media at least doing their jobs. all right, paneling stay put. -- panel, stay put. how economists smeared ben shapiro as an alt-right guy. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let me just tell you exactly what my message is. the republican party will soon be known as the party of health care. howard: president trump drawing plenty of media criticism for moving yet again to abolish obamacare with journalists arguing and quoting unnamed republicans as saying that he has no health care plan after three failed attempts to repeal and replace the program that he and his party ran against. i spoke earlier with ben shapiro, editor-in-chief of the daily wire and author of the new number one bestseller, the right side of history: ho

when they try to destroy and try to make bigger than they are, just like the same way they ran al franken out of -- did not give him due process. oft the mischaracterization biden'sen's -- joe actions and trying to put them in the same pot donald trump, harvey weinstein, it is really a disservice. host: julie, can you stay on the phone for a minute? caller: sure. host: don't hang up. this is from great america pac, supporting donald trump, focused on the former vice president. let's watch this and get your reaction. [video clip] >> it happened so suddenly, very unexpectedly, out of nowhere, i his hand onen put his shoulder, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, and plant a slow kiss on the top of my head. how could the vice president of the united states do that to me so unexpectedly and kind of out of nowhere? it was shocking. it was shocking, because you do not expect that kind of intimate behavior, you do not expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful and someone you have no relationship with whatsoever to touch you, to be so close to you .n that way ♪ host: so, juli

when you look back especially to al franken, they really drew a line in the sand with regards to accusationse against democrats. and here with joe biden -- >> when moore was running and everybody was ready to throw him under the bus earlier. >> sure. i'm just wondering how the biden camp is going to respond to this? >> one of the things that hangs on this this in the level of roy mire or sexual misconduct. we're talking about this gray area where women are saying, he didn't assault them. he touched them in ways that he felt was personally invasive. we haven't heard from biden himself. i imagine while his democratic rivals haven't rushed and he'll feel a need to step out. >> they're not rushing to defend him but they're also not rushing to take him on like we heard from some of the women early on. juana summers, thank you. >>> still ahead, more than a dozen involved in a wide-ranging college admissions cheating scheme go in front of a judge today. we'll tell you what they could expect in court. >>> plus, democrats ramp up their investigation of the security clearance process. we'll hear from

that was the argument when al franken was run out of town, when what donald trump has done is so muchg. just as an observer, that conversation has moved along to women need to be believed, women need to be heard, but there has to be due process out there. you've got to hear both sides. what i heard this past weekend, after the initial rush of stories is all women should be believed, all women should be heard, but then all men should be heard. there has to be due process. there has to be some balance. i will tell you, where there there's no balance, if you take a man who's committed his entire lifetime to the democratic party, and then you say he is a racist and he is a misogynist, and that he is the democrats' answer to donald trump? that's just deeply offensive, and that's just wrong, and that's a wonderful way to help reelect donald trump. >> yeah. >> by democrats eating their own and actually trying to call a man who was barack obama's vice president for eight years a racist and a misogynist. that's over the line. >>> up next, the steps lawmakers are taking to protect the integrity

al franken got kicked out for that they have to decide that the second thing this is about is the huge? he is issuing some statements. he is not in there giving speeches, doing anything that would fill this vacuum. this is what has become the kind of preamble to the biden campaign and i think that's bad for him. >> bret: guy? >> this seems to me like a warning shot from the left, certain elements of the left against biden basically saying if you are going to get into this thing, prepare to have a very unpleasant time. and the fact that he has said absolutely nothing in front of a camera, i don't think, is really helping his case all that much here. i do feel like there is, look, the video footage that we played there is very uncomfortable to watch there is a creepiness there. >> plus the slow motion with the music. >> that's true. we have seen these exchanges in the past, it's creepy, it's not, i think, appropriate especially these days. there is a difference, i think, between that and some of the me too actions that this is now being weaponized against him in a way that a lot of voter

against joe biden are disqualifying but she was among the first set of democrats to call for senator al franken to resign for sexual misconduct allegations and today she struggled to explain the difference. >> they are very different. senator franken obviously had eight credible allegations against him that were corroborated in real time. it's not that easy didn't have the right to stay on and do his ethics investigation and so every woman who came against him. those were all his decisions. >> that was last night. ultimately she says biden will have to address those allegations with the voters. shannon. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. the women going public with stories about the former vice president's touchiness are posing a new set of questions to the #metoo movement in the democratic party. correspondent doug mckelway has that report. >> if you had accused senator joe biden at years ago of being creepy, hands or violating one little stomach women's personal statements he would've been left away. as the sponsor for the violence against women act he was arguing without the s

this is not what donald trump did, this is not what harvey weinstein did, this is not even what al franken is accused of having done. i think as long as people are clear about that and don't say this is the same thing, it's still useful to discuss how it's important how a woman feels, even when the man had those better intentions. >> you know, there's an interesting stat about joe biden, ruth. the last four presidents were all born after joe biden. the last four presidents, clinton, bush, obama, and trump, all born after 1945. he was 1941. i feel like we're just -- that's what this ends up taking us back to. so what -- how does he fix this? how does he become the man of the moment, or is this something he may not have control over? >> i have been looking for a way to have control over age and i haven't discovered it yet. he's a young 76. >> he is. i give him that. >> he has changed. he has learned. but he's still struggling, i think molly used the word baggage. that's completely true. there's baggage on criminal justice issues. and it's a different time. >> he dragged president obama to sa

i don't think the handsy thing, let's not al franken joe biden. let us push that aside. there's some very serious things. why did he wait until the day before he announces to call anita hill. >> he called her some time quite a bit before and it only came out the day before because "the new york times" was publishing. >> it comes out -- >> that's 22 years after. >> he had given a very lame excuse. i wish i could have given her a better hearing. he's the person who could have given her a better hearing and she's not accepting this apology is not a surprise. there must be a stubborn streak in him that didn't do it 22 years ago after it happened. and he wanted to be, you know, one of the other things, this might show something about biden that's not good, which is why did he want to be so much one of the boys there? why couldn't he have shown some courage and defended her and brought on the other women? he wanted to please john danforth. it's bipartisanship run amuck. >> i covered that hearing and recall very well that on that sunday, there were three days of the critical he

based on what we've seen from the democratic party the party and progressive base's treatment of al franken, that this will be enough. there are people who and by the way, joe biden's running and occupying entire ly the moderat lane of the democratic party and the progressives don't have space or want him in by the way nor does the republican party and donald trump. so biden's taking it from all sides now and there's a real question in viability if he weathers this. then he'll be a real candidate. if not, it's over. >> beto o'rourke with $9 million raised. now he's, his people argue he was only in the race for 18 day s as opposed to harris, since january. sanders since february. but this is a back to reality for o'rourke's campaign, i think. >> kind of except that no one heard of this guy a year ago. this was a phenom nenon that ca on in texas. challenged ted cruz and came close to having an upset there. and so if now based on those inflated expectations, if he doesn't raise a billion dollars in a second, he's crash iing an burning. if you take a step back, this guy shouldn't be in the race

al franken resigned over allegations he inappropriately touched women during campaign stops or photohas had some regret over that and democrats running for president have struggled about whether he should have resigned. democrats are struggling with the issue of how much inappropriate behavior will be allowed in the #metoo movement. is an apology and an explanation of what happened enough? are people like donna brazile coming out saying i know joe biden. he has never been inappropriate with me. with that vouching for character be enough? this will be an issue of the economy, of policies and there is a long record that joe biden has that has been somewhat forgotten about as a senator that will come back up for scrutiny. but this woman who wrote this op-ed i found it very interesting. she said look, because joe biden has done so much work on the issue of violence against women and sexual assault he should know better than to behave in the way he did. that's used as a defense for him saying he worked on the violence against women act. worked to champion women. she is saying yeah, that's

when they try to destroy and try to make bigger than they are, just like the same way they ran al frankenut of -- did not give him due process. oft the mischaracterization biden'sen's -- joe actions and trying to put them in the same pot donald trump, harvey weinstein, it is really a disservice. host: julie, can you stay on the phone for a minute? caller: sure. host: don't hang up. this is from great america pac, supporting donald trump, focused on the former vice president. let's watch this and get your reaction. [video clip] >> it happened so suddenly, very unexpectedly, out of nowhere, i his hand onen put his shoulder, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, and plant a slow kiss on the top of my head. how could the vice president of the united states do that to me so unexpectedly and kind of out of nowhere? it was shocking. it was shocking, because you do not expect that kind of intimate behavior, you do not expect that kind of intimacy from someone so powerful and someone you have no relationship with whatsoever to touch you, to be so close to you .n that way ♪ host: so, julie,