cnn announces that we call florida in the al gore column. - about roughly 8:45, we and all the other orks call florida for gore. i remember saying, "how is bush possibly gonna," you know-- "what's the path he could possibly take?" because he's lost michigan, he's gonna lose pennsylvania. if anybody wins all three, it's over. - you can bet that governor bush will be madder than a rained-on rooster that his brother, the governor, wasn't able to carry the state for him. - mr. bush says he is not yet ready to concede florida. so that only complicates the evening just a little bit. - the networks called this thing awfully early, but the people who are actually counting the votes are coming up with a little different perspective. - george bush was a very confident man. i don't think bush ever doubted that he would manage somehow to get elected. - some new returns came in, and suddenly the gore lead that was necessary to make this prediction evaporated. - what the networks give us, the network taketh away. nbc news is now taking florida out of vice president gore's column. - as the night wen

>> reporter: except there was no insurrection after al gore and hillary clinton lost. both did something trump never did. they conceded. while trump seems as strong as ever among republicans, a new abc/ipsos poll shows 65% of all adults say the charges against trump are serious. a majority say he should have been charged with a crime. nearly half say the charges are politically motivated, but just as many say trump should suspend his campaign. he won't, of course, but the campaign calendar is now on a collision course with the legal calendar. the first hearing in the january 6th case scheduled for just five days after the first republican debate. the new york trial and the hush money case scheduled for the middle of the republican primaries. the classified documents trial scheduled for just weeks before the republican convention with more court dates and likely even more charges still to come. >> george: thanks, jonathan karl, for that. we're joined now by donald trump's attorney, john lauro. mr. lauro, thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> george:

is there an apples to apples comparative to al gore and hillary clinton. >> no, of course, not.re what resulted in this indictment. you can say anything you want, but it's when you take actions that cross the line and puts you into legal jeopardy. that's what this case is about. it's not because donald trump kept saying at rallies he thinks he won the election or thinks the election was stolen. he can say that every day. the indictment makes that clear in the first paragraph. what he cannot do is sick his lawyers on a bunch of state officials and start intimidating them and challenging facts that he already knows are not true. and to the extent that he did all of those things, that's why he got arrested. >> this is what we were going back and forth with one of john eastman's lawyers. they keep saying it's okay he changed his mind and he was being a good lawyer. there's a line. you can lawyer what you can't do is pursue things in a crime. that's the difference. but i don't think it's being distinguished for a lot of folks. i don't think many people are being fairly served by thes

as for words, here is what hillary clinton and al gore said at the end of their campaigns.a bruising but peacefully conducted court battle and she just hours after the election. >> last night i congratulated donald trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. i hope that he will be a successful president for all americans. this is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and i'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country. our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power. and we don't just respect that, we cherish it. >> now the u.s. supreme court has spoken. let there be no doubt while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it. i accept the finality of this outcome, which quill will be ratified next monday in the electoral college. tonight for the sake of our people and strength of our democracy, i offer my concession. >> their words in defeat, and now here's just one sample of the many things donald trump said after he lost, after being told he lost

and even i remember florida with the chads with al gore, but they all conceded.preme court made a ruling in '08 with bush beating gore, but gore conceded within a week, maybe ten days. >> so why is.com county saying what he's saying then? >> because you saw the president's remarks after the indictment yesterday. he's angry . you're still going to win the primary. and he's going to want to give himself a pardon. he's all in. guns are all blazing. i'm sure that in his remarks to kevin, better stick up for me. and kevin is certainly playing that role and showed that anger last night. >> i mentioned earlier that you were one of ten republicans in the house who voted to impeach donald trump over his actions in and around january 6th. i want you to ponder this publicly, if you will. imagine a world in which the senate vote d to convict him. and what that would mean for our body politic today. >> a couple things. they actually did vote, but they didn't have the two-thirds vote to get a majority of the senate. >> what they needed to convict. >> they needed 67. i wonder -

yeah take us to that moment 2000 nashville, tennessee election night right so i was working for al gore. right. if all comedy comes pain. this book may also have come from pain. so working for gore was my first job. i was kind of kid, speechwriter, and election night 2000, nashville al gore has three speeches prepared a victory speech, a concession speech, and then a modification where we explain that has won the electoral college, even though he has lost the popular vote. now america since learned that an electoral college win still a win. but at the time, we felt like that demanded some explanation and that. you know, florida goes to gore. we think he's won because it's too close to call. we don't know goes to bush. we think, well, where are you. so i'm in memorial plaza, veterans memorial plaza in downtown nashville. it is a sort of mr. rainy night. so as rain of starts up, people retreat to bars, restaurants around and and i was sort out of the action right like election nights are weird like once all the calls have been made, the doors have been knocked. there's really not much lef

one of the things, though, is that his lawyers right now are comparing this to al gore and al gore's chief of staff back in 2000. they're saying that as chief of staff, mark meadows can take all of these political actions and they're within the realm of what is acceptable for a white house chief of staff. do you think that that's a reasonable argument to make? >> they're confusing two separate things. the president has authorities and the president has also first amendment rights to campaign. what al gore did was as a candidate for president do what was permissible under florida law. the argument here is that trump, meadows and others went beyond what was permissible under stay law, but none of that -- nothing that al gore did in 2000 had anything to do with his vice presidential responsibilities and nothing that trump and meadows did here had anything to do with their presidential responsibilities. it's like if trump would have robbed a bank while he was president, that's not part of his presidential responsibilities. that's what meadows' papers confuse here, i think. >> do you thin

we have election of 2000, al gore, and george w.h it came down to florida, a couple hundred red votes, al gore brings first lawsuit it is then litigation hell, different districts in the state, and trying to find judges that would up hold this part of law the that part of the law, the radical left wing democrat control florida supreme court steps and changes the law, to try to get gore over the finish line, u.s. supreme court says that is enough. that is enough. the voting has to stop. the supreme court of florida can't keep changing the rules, they are destroying one person, one vote. the entire concept. and so george w. bush is the winner. and he wins the electoral college by 5 votes. he lost the popular vote by over half a million votes. that was a very consensus election we -- 1 de con den shocontentious election we know it and this january 6 was said to be a an insurgents. we have a commission -- insurrection, we had a set up by nancy pelosi. she rejected republicans that leader mccart he chosen, that was never done before, the

but i remember when al gore -- when they were in that court battle in florida and al gore was told, i think, by david boyce, we got a shot, let's appeal it. al gore said no, america has been through enough. it's over. you know, where does the country come first? it breaks my heart, again, i'll say it, if 330 million americans, is this the best we can do? is this the best? what is wrong with us. what is wrong with our political system that good decent people, capable people want no part of it? i mean, i look at two people that i admire. general john kelly and rex tillerson. they were accomplished people in their chosen fields all of their lives. the way they were treated by trump on the way out was disgraceful. you know, i thought to myself last night when i saw the picture of him, i said, you know, maybe this is god getting even with him but god doesn't get even. maybe god was getting even with him for the way he treated these two distinguished gentlemen. you know, jack walsh, a dear friend, he had a great knack. more than one person got fired by jack told me that when he left his off

the florida election that al gore contested was 537 votes.what sort of proper behavior is, that an election that you can contest and recount. donald trump went ahead and contested and asked for recounts and brought out litigation and he lost every one of those 63 cases and the bargain in that actuation is that you can take the cases to court, but in going to court you also have to abide by the decisions of the court. donald trump failed to do that. al gore conceded the election rightly and properly and donald trump who continue to basically tear down the institution of american elections with unfounded charges. >> advisers do not believe trump will take part in the gop presidential debate. what do the other gop candidates need to do to stand out and make themselves a viable alternative to trump? >> well, i would say respectfully they need to stop kissing up to donald trump. that is clearly not working for them. and the base they are trying to appeal to, they like people who are tough, clearly. look who they are going for and donald trump, but

obviously talking about al gore, they conceded their races.d. it is amazing that there are sophisticated powerful people in your party who are still excusing and supporting it. >> one of the most surprising things for me when i got into politics ten years ago when i walked into the room of all these elected officials, i thought they would be natural born leaders bouncing off of each other. and that wasn't the case. what kevin mccarthy is doing right there is not being a leader. he knows the truth. he knows there are no facts there, and he has an opportunity to convince thousands if not millions of republicans this isn't true and there is a better chance to go forward. donald trump had his chance, he had his time and he lost. if i had any magic pixie dust left i'd splash it on the raupt and tell them the election wasn't rigged and we'd move on and i think we'd be better for it. once again week, going to have to take our medicine and admit that. >> this is the rhetoric. >> yeah. >> i guess the reality is this rhetoric is reality to millions of p

, things like al gore's terrifying mov know,3 inc polariient truth, things like al gore's terrifyingnow,3 inc polar beartruth, things like al gore's terrifying mov know,3 inc polar bear numbers you know, the polar bear numbers have been increasing from 5 to 10,000in to 26,000 how. >> now. >> patrick is they're exaggeration in the media about everything , including climate everything, including climate change. yes, there is. but the people you should blame for that are the editors who print those documents. >> but this hysteria then leads to government policy, which then hits taxpayers in the pocket and it is ruining people. and people need to be more honest and coming out and saying, hang on a minute. when you are confronted with this, instead of with facts like this, instead of telling me, oh, well, you haven't really this haven't really read this document, when actually, shockingly, clearly shockingly, for you, i clearly have really got have and you haven't really got answers it. people going answers for it. people are going skint because this kind of. skint because of this kind of

alan dershowitz at prominent democrat, al gore a prominent democrat as well.ging on election illegal because donald trump wanted to do it? >> that is a great question, where is your first amendment rights, do we have the right to question the results of this election here in the state, yes president trump have that right and the 18 other people who have been indicted. they had the right to question it. i would submit to you. if this was as the secretary of state maintain the purest election the most safest election that we've ever had why did the georgia state legislature make a substantial and subsidence changes to the election laws after this happened. tell me that. cheryl: i want to ask you what happened yesterday. a lot of head scratching going on. the courts website, the charges came out in the noon hour yesterday. then they came out last night when they dropped on the indictment and said those charges were false. what was going on they were still having testimony from witnesses at that exact moment in the courthouse where the website put the charges out.

al gore would have been charged with conspiracy to defraud government.al gore believes he won thatd th election. . >> his opponent's brother was the governor of florida. in an election this close. you're saying al gore working the phones before certification was illegal? >> it's preposterous. ion there were alternate electos sent in 1876. oney were alternate sent in 1960 on advice of counsel. >> trump asked pence to kick it back to the states for recertification, where state legislatures are constitutionally empowered t to determine elections. that's called politics. but apparently trump's politics are such a threat to washington that his politicaltrump' speecht could be grounds to throw him in prison before trial. >> if this gag order is allowed to the, deep state is destroying our nation. >> but the table destrs must tuw and we will quickly destroy the deep statell. >> we know where the bodies are buried. jonathan turley is a george washington law professor and a fox news contributor. so, professor, how is it legal to prohibit a major presidential cand

the courts were done, al gore said i still don't agree with it but the courts are done. i'm backing off. donald trump has been much different and i said this to the president in december of 2020 the last time he and i spoke. you availed yourself of the courts there is nothing left. you need to concede the election and he said i will never, ever, ever admit it. well, look, if you are going to continue to use the power of the presidency, which he was doing, to put pressure on people, you are going to put yourself in a dangerous circumstance and let's take it aside for a second from the criminal. we can't normalize this conduct. this has never happened before in this country ever. where you had a candidate for president of the united states conduct himself in this way to disrespect the election process in this way, to refuse to accept the verdict of the voters. and what does it say about his judgment, guys? what does it say whether or not he is fit to sit behind that desk? is this really -- and by the way, here we are this morning and i understand why we're doing it and hap

al gore believes he won that election. opponents's brother was the governor in an election this close. there were alternate electors in 1960. on advice of counsel trump asked pence to kick it back to the states for recertification where state legislatures are empowered to determine elections. that's politics. but trump's politics are such a threat to washington it's ground to throw him in prison before trial if this gag order is allowed. >> the deep state is destroying our nation. the tables must turn and we will destroy the deep state. we know where the bodies are buried. >> jesse: jonathan turley is a fox contribute horr. -- professor. how is it legal to prohibit a presidential candidate from speaking about an unfair trail? >> that's the problem with how the department of justice is approaching this case. there is a simple olution. hold the trial after the election. -- there is more leeway in terms of gagging individuals. if you are going to hold the leading presidential candidate to a trial date in the middle of the pre

this divide, al gore and george w bush down the middle. the florida recount, hillary clinton won the popular vote but trump came president. we have not been able to get out of that feud. i think the republicans are winning in the sense that they were able to get recent supreme court justices in. that has fueled an unraveling of the programs, roe v. wade, clean air and clean water act. we are now in an aero where americans think less government is more. libertarianism is going on right now. on the other hand, if biden wins, we may be living in the age of biden. trump is eating all of the media up, but trump -- but biden might be a two timer. >> what does that mean? does this 50-50 have to break? >> it is not inevitable, but because we have been so defined as red and blue states, we know which will be red and blue in the next election. it is the same handful, arizona, georgia, virginia. there are others. there will be five or six states that will determine things. the electoral college as it is now structured helps of the republican party. d

when they said it in georgia's election, nothing happened to them either. >> al gore and hillary clintonhis? >> because he wan tots stay relevant in politics. you saw the, quote, supposed elevated emotion that he just showed. pure theater. that's an absurd argument. at the end of the day, to your point, they both conceded those elections. and to compare that somehow with folks storming the capitol, breaking into a building where i worked for 12 years of my life is an absurd comparison, but it shows the danger of donald trump in my mind because what it says is somebody as highly elected as kevin mccarthy will twist himself in knots to stay relevant with the trump base, and to me that's frightening for the way that it undermines the very tenets of open and free elections. >> former governor mark sanford, good to see you. thanks for coming in tonight. >> yes, sir. >>> new reporting on supreme court justice thomas. his luxurious lifestyle and who was funding it. what propublica says it uncovered. that's ahead. ♪ (please don't g go) ♪ ♪ (please don't go) ♪ ♪ (please don't go) ♪ ♪ (please don'

al gore won the popular vote.p their defense, this is no surprise, really, we might be, maybe, seeing the republican electorate soften just a little. the reuters ipsos poll says half of republican voters would not vote for him if convicted of a felony. do you think there could be an opening for someone like virginia governor glenn youngkin who got another $1 million donation from a republican mega donor? >> chris, you can certainly foresee that republican primary voters would grow tired of donald trump and all of his scandals and controversies, especially if they think that it would make it harder for him to win the 2024 election, the prospect of joe biden getting re-elected because trump isn't strong enough or is being dragged down too much, could certainly start motivating republican primary voters as we move closer to the election and there's a wide open lane in the republican primary for someone who is an alternative to donald trump. that used to be ron desantis for a while. too early to count him out. he has

thing for al gore to george bush.onald trump the so _ bush. that's not what donald trump the so what — bush. that's not what donald trump did. so what we see now is that the republican— did. so what we see now is that the republican base is not only coalescing around trump, but it is scared _ coalescing around trump, but it is scared to — coalescing around trump, but it is scared to death out of all republican politicians, they are running — republican politicians, they are running for their lives because kevin — running for their lives because kevin mccarthy now should know better— kevin mccarthy now should know better - — kevin mccarthy now should know better — he was in the capitol when it was_ better — he was in the capitol when it was being — better — he was in the capitol when it was being attacked, and he's now essentially— it was being attacked, and he's now essentially giving the permission slip to _ essentially giving the permission slip to donald trump to continue to lie slip to donald trump to continue to

then al gore in one of the few good moments of his 2000 campaign, where we saw into the heart of al goreoncession speech, but a concession speech, one of the most patriotic concession speeches. when al gore knew that five republican appointees to the -- nominees to the supreme court voted against him and four democratic appointee seappointe him, still went out and gave a concession speech that brought the country together. my god, my god, the contrast with this man, this thrice indicted man, could not be greater, could it, doris? >> you know, joe, i think you should show, everybody should show again what you just showed, that conjunction of what's happened in every other time in our history, except 1860, and what happened now. i mean, it just shows you, right, the grace of those people. imagine how hard it is for them. they've lost an election. i just looked at all these concession speeches the other day, maybe a nerdy thing to do, but it made me emotional to realize what you're saying. they come out there, know they've disappointed their followers, they feel really sad, yet they know th

but remind people what al gore did back in 2000.me as what's being done now. how. >> now. >> he challenged florida count. he said , can't we find 570 or so he said, can't we find 570 or so votes ? i was the lawyer for the votes? i was the lawyer for the voters of palm beach county, which which were deceived by what was called a butterfly ballot. and many of them voted for a candidate other than the one they intended to vote for. we had the hanging chads . i we had the hanging chads. i probably have the distinction of having worked for the election of both al gore. i worked on the impeachment of bill clinton , ted impeachment of bill clinton, ted kennedy , and then also finally , kennedy, and then also finally, i defended donald trump in his impeachment . isn't i don't pick impeachment. isn't i don't pick my clients based on my political views myself . i voted against views myself. i voted against trump and plan to do it again, although nobody can ever be sure. but i cared deeply about the constitution and about not weaponizing the c

but remind people what al gore did back in 2000.same as what's being done now. how. >> now. >> he challenged florida count. he said , can't we find 570 or so he said, can't we find 570 or so votes ? i was the lawyer for the votes? i was the lawyer for the voters of palm beach county, which which were deceived by what was called a butterfly ballot. and many of them voted for a candidate other than the one they intended to vote for. we had the hanging chads . i we had the hanging chads. i probably have the distinction of having worked for the election of both al gore. i worked on the impeachment of bill clinton , ted impeachment of bill clinton, ted kennedy , and then also finally , kennedy, and then also finally, i defended donald trump in his impeachment . isn't i don't pick impeachment. isn't i don't pick my clients based on my political views myself . i voted against views myself. i voted against trump and plan to do it again, although nobody can ever be sure. but i cared deeply about the constitution and about not weaponizing the

i want to remind people about when al gore ran against george bush. al gore loss. which cost him the presidency. not once did anybody write it. not once did anybody attack our capital. not once did anyone try to go against the government. he lost. president bush was sworn in. 62 courts have denied president trump the ability to fight this fraudulent election because it and he lost in all 62 course. this should be tried in court. he has laws. this is no other way to say it. people do not wake up, i do not understand what our country is coming to. thank you for taking my call. host: james in arkansas on the independent line. caller: good morning, america, my fellow veterans and americans. i want to say something. trump says he has the right to reject election. he had the right and went to court 62 times and was denied. it is a good think al capone is not running for president. there was say the justice department is weaponizing against al capone. wake up. he is a showman. thank you. host: we go to our line for georgians. barry in valdosta. caller: you have an indepen

the difference being, when al gore lost his case, he conceded and moved on. donald trump ratcheted the pressure up even more, ultimately resulting in what we saw january 6th. so there's a lot of disturbing conduct here by donald trump and the others named in the indictment. >> what about the racketeering charges specifically? as a former prosecutor, i would think you've used rico statutes, statewide and federal. i'm wondering what you think about fani willis' application of them here. >> the rico statute in georgia is broader than even the federal prosecutor. i did use it as a u.s. attorney, but look, she's got a number of predicate acts here, i think 161 predicate acts she cites, that people misunderstand, they think every one of those acts has to be a crime. what she is establishing is these were acts in furtherance of the conspiracy to commit that crime. you know, the fact is, the rico statute is being brought in as it is in georgia gives her the opportunity to do it this way. i don't know if i would have charged it that way, be you you -- but now we're in

al gore did not do nothing illegal by challenging the election.y abrams didn't do anything illegal, and donald trump didn't do anything illegal by challenging an election. they all thought they won and he thinks he won. but yet, he gets prosecuted and that's what strong -- what wrong, the reason the justice the sump is being weaponize. host: all right, what one of the other big topics that happened this week was the first republican presidential debate as several republicans came together and talk about what they would do if they became president and talked about why they were the best person to become president. politico has a story this morning about it, and i want to bring -- read a couple of paragraphs to you from the political story. fox news drew 12.8 one million viewers during the first republican presidential debate the network announce. the viewership number from wednesday night reflex interest in gop candidates other than the current front-runner, former president donald trump but do not outpace the first gop debate in august 2015 during

al gore conceded, in fact allegory was the sitting vice president who counted george w.editorial college votes and didn't do what trump falsely says mike pence was about to do. hillary clinton -- house senate democrats voted to object to some states votes counts in january 21 and january 2017, but not as part of a plot to overturn the election, not with the aid of fake electors, and not at all gore and hillary clinton's direction. republicans are gaslighting you when they say democrats did the same. of course they didn't. what donald trump did in terms of trying to overrule the votes in georgia or trying to get the doj to make false claims of voter fraud and trying to get mike pence to throw out votes and trying to submit fake electors, no president, no party has ever done before. what trump did is what he is being prosecuted, for not for what he said. and that they keep coming up with one ludicrous dishonest, demonstrably false argument after another is evidence that they know that this time, finally, he is in serious legal trouble. joining me now to discuss is and more

do think al gore wanted to be sitting there in 2000 george west bush's inaugural? to be sitting there bill clinton's inaugural. i am confident they would've rather have had elective root canal. then be sitting there but then went and not only did they go they welcomed the victor to the white house and said this is the way we do it in this country. it's a peaceful transfer of power where the vanquished can don't congratulate the victor and we leave with grace and dignity. he didn't do any of that. i think it diminished him and diminished our country in the process. you can still say i don't it's fair, al gore fought like crazy against george west bush for 34 days in court all the way to the u.s. supreme court but on the u.s. supreme court ruled even though al gore walked by before he didn't say not moving out of the observatory and still vice president he conceded went out he welcomed bush to the observatory they met and they show the country that this is the way we operate that's the way we've operated in the name for the last 250 years i think that's one the presi

about those in the democratic party from the leadership on down about george bush not winning and al gore did. were any of them put in jail inwere any of them held with no response able to get out? the answer is no. so, yeah, you can raise that. and someone raised the question you know in america you're entitled to raise a question. you're entitled to question whether it was honest or not. that's the uniqueness of the first amendment. that's the uniqueness of america. but you know what, you shouldn't be prosecuted for your thoughts. and the difference here is when hillary clinton said it, nothing happened to him. when they said it in georgia's elekds, nothing happened to them either. when the dnc said it, nothing happened to them either. that is wrong and that should stop now. >> there's only one problem with all that, it's not true at all. hillary clinton did not challenge the results of the 2016 election. she gave a concession speech the very next morning saying she hoped trump would be a successful president for all americans. and back in 2000 you'll recall al gore won the popular vote

it goes back to at least bill clinton and l -- al gore appeared compare chicago crime to delaware crime and you have an idea of hilary versus joe. frankly, barack obama is the key to having corrupted the entire system. we are in a genuine crisis of what kind of america we will be. what you saw yesterday was not the rule of law. it was the rule of power. exactly what the nicaragua dictator is doing right now to a catholic bishop. what the chinese have done to a catholic cardinal. what putin has done to a political opponent. this is, this has nothing to do with justice. this is a district attorney who is corrupt, partisan and i believe totally breaking the law and the constitution. jackie: you mentioned the debates as well. any standout players in your view? it was fiery, they went after each other. of course, donald trump was not there. anybody really stand out as a competitor? >> sure appeared every single one of them in every single pole key is beating them. training on governor ron desantis who went in there and the number two spot. he did not do himself much harm. he had some really

i did and another professor did and those of us the al gore team, i was representing the voters of palm beach county. and we said please check this county, that county, find this vote, find those votes. we think there are more votes. we do the same thing. the other professor wrote a legal memorandum. laying out a strategy very similar to the strategy for which these folks are being invited today. if you look back at the 2000 election of the protests, i still think to this day and i'll say it here on television that election was stolen from al gore by bush. he won the actual election. i'm saying that. are they going to come after me now? i guess the statute of limitations is gone. >> sean: now that you have already been banned and canceled in martha's vineyard. the next places nantucket. i would assume that your next stop. maybe the state of massachusetts thereafter. i don't know, professor. >> i love nantucket. the ideas we are all part of the united states and we have one rule for democrats, one rule for republicans, one rule for martha's vineyard, one rule for nantucket, one rule for

gore, the claim by al gore that he was denied election by the butterfly ballot, by the hanging chads,ar to the ones alleged here. they wanted to have alternate electors, they lobbied state officials, they call for selective recounts. i can just imagine a rico charge being brought against the lawyers who were involved in, on behalf of al gore, but that didn't happen. and you can't have one justice for democrats and one justice for republicans. this rico charge, rico was never intended to cover election claims. rico was intended to cover mobs, gangs, drug dealers, people who have a hierarchy. and in this case, many of the defendants don't even know each other. how can they be conspirators? how can they be part of the same rico? they were strangers to each other. they all had a common goal, to try to what they believe was strange out an election problem. i don't believe that, i think the election was fair, but it's not my state of mind that counts, it's the state of mind of each of the defendants. and the prosecution's going to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that every one of th

the same thing about those anti-democratic party for the leadership on down about george bush and al gore did. but were any a dam prosecuted? were any attempt put in jail? when hillary clinton said it, nothing happened. one day set in georgia's election, nothing happened to them either. you know what, when the dnc said that, nothing happened to them either. >> speaker mccarthy just a short time ago, we are joined by our commuters caught jennings, alyssa farah grown -- congressman, kinzinger, what did you think of it? >> oh, my gosh, watch into, i can. he knows better. he knows that is complete garbage. >> that is just read me talking points. >> even to the base will look at that and go that is not decent thing. does not make an ounce of sense. the can see how angry he's been getting, lately, by the way when he speaks, kevin. that's reverend to get angry when he speaks, but he's been doing it more and more. my guess is that this is tearing him up inside. he's mad not at the people he's asking the question, he's frankly mad that he has to come up with that lie and stay there and say that. a

it kind of goes to what kevin mccarthy said about hillary clinton and al gore. at some point they took the legal -- al gore took the legal pathway to go to the supreme court and when he lost, he conceded. and hillary clinton within 24 hours conceded to donald trump. the problem is, is even the day he is arraigned, donald trump is still pushing the fact that he won the election. and so he did not. and that's why he is going to court. >> yeah, they keep leaving out that the other two conceded. >> that's right. >> very interesting. david and ashley, thanks, guys. appreciate it. >>> more than 50 million americans under heat alerts still this morning. many of the same cities that just experienced weeks of triple digit temps heating up again. the national weather service is predicting oppressive heat across the south central united states, including phoenix, el paso and baton rouge. our meteorologist allison chinchar has the forecast. >> nearly a dozen states under some type of heat alert in the short term. these are likely going to continue to the weekend for a lot o

so even clinton and al gore were saying lower the size of government.these guys on the stage, desantis and ramaswamy, are saying get rid of entire agencies, entire federal units and bureaucracies. >> yeah. you can't be conservative enough for the republican voters. i mean, vivek is talking about eliminating the department of education, the department of energy and a couple of other agencies. if i see that, you know, ron desantis is saying he would radically downsize the federal bureaucracy. i think it'll be interesting, you know, look, i'm a trump guy, i worked for trump in 2016 and served with him when he was president, but i think that it'll be interesting to see if they take shots at him and say, look, he can't be president because of all these indictments and who's going to really take the lead on that. because, you know, if you do that, you risk alienating those trump voters. the other thing that's the biggest issue in so many of these polls for republicans is what to do about the border, liz, and i want to see -- [laughter] if they're going to say

special counsel smith could have criminalized al gore questioning the 2000 results.ers and contested and negated in sports and nobody was jumping up and down saying these guys ought to be in jail which is where they are going. this is the same prosecutor, no disrespect, i don't know him but the prosecutor is the same guy who prosecuted governor mcdonnell out of virginia. his able to get a guilty verdict because juries are sick and tired and they convicted of the supreme court reversed nine did nothing dismissal by the department of justice saying is so good and they moved on and that was after the governor had to spend $27 million and years of his life defending himself in court. >> where to go? love or hate trump, people say capitol riots should never happen again but to the facts and the letter of the law and the overheated rhetoric, how do you see this play out? where do you see this going? >> i see these cases being hotly litigated, all of them and i expect them to go through the primaries and even the election. they're going to be active and that's why i think t