not a dead, that the enemy is an ideology and all of this groupser in the black banner, whether al qaeda or isis are taliban or al al-shabaab, they're united by an ideology, connectty tissue, personnel and the threat was growing and he felt that the white house was not explaining that threat to the public. >> who i did he think that. >> because he was -- speak intelligence he saw wasn't getting into the about's daily brief, and the president's speeches were talking about basically this seminole counterterrorism group was describing al qaeda is decimated. the troops are coming home. we can basically rely on this drone program and keep america safe and that's the new normal. and he fought back against that. didn't believe that. >> is he still fighting that fight. >> he still believes that and he's going to be a very senior person so, yeah, one thing you'll see from a trump administration is you won't -- talking about the threat as being bigger than just isis or altime it's an ideology and wherever it raises its head and forms a group that puts the black banner territory, that we're probabl

in a space of year, 2010-2011 we killed more than half of the top 20 al-qaeda lieutenants, senior-level leaders. in that you were also killed the two most wanted terrorist in the world, osama bin laden and anwar al-awlaki who was the head of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula. we reached level of effectiveness i've never seen, i covered everything that happened after 9/11 including the wars in iraq and afghanistan. something was going on, and same year, not by coincidence president obama decides to pull all our troops out of iraq. he ran the next year, the president who killed osama bin laden, the commander-in-chief who killed osama bin laden and ended the post-9/11 wars, so clearly we were, and then he gave a speech in the second term in 2013 where he basically tried to define the war on terror as had been over and with a desperate al-qaeda that we could now put it into a more normal threat level and get on with wide temperature of american foreign policy, all very laudable goals. it seemed to be there something going on that we're going to trust this new kind of targeted terrorist kill

hooded al qaeda leaders.at the end of that they pull out a large knife and they decapitate him. [ screaming ] >> i was, frankly, fixated on the video in a sort of morbid kind of way because i remember my fists were just clenched up because not only are you frustrated, you're angry. >> people were always second-guessing, who actually did the beheading? i'll sit here today and tell you i believe from the nuances, the body language that we saw of the different individuals, that zarqawi was the individual who grabbed that young man by the stock of hair at the top of his head and cut his head off. and then stood there like, you know, screw you, america. >> it really brought the war to a personal level as it got more and more brutal. imy moderate to severeng crohn's disease. i didn't think there was anything else to talk about. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still e

isis used to be al qaeda in iraq. yes. we're talking about going in and using the same one for yemen, for syria. et cetera. so it's interesting the way he uses we and then he puts all the blame on congress. yes, congress has failed to do its job but it has been the president's decision to use that. >> all right, guys, thank you very much. i apologize for the truncated time here given all the latest developments. i want to bridge nigel farage in. the brexit leader who by the way is on the short list for "time" magazine's person of the year. only about a dozen people on that list. but nigel, always good to have you. i wanted to get your take on that comment about refugees. we have to help refugees who've escaped the horrors of war. what did you think of that? >> well, it's funny, isn't it? the one thing we didn't get from obama is any contrition, any apology, any acknowledgment of the fact that actually the unnecessary interference in places like libya is directly what has led to the growth of isis and has led to this flood

we killed an american cleric who led al qaeda. many people thought he was more dangerous than bin laden because he spoke in american vernacular and recruited and was savvy in using facebook. we killed those two leaders. time the president decide to pull the troops. this model was going to be how the focus of how we were going to keep ourselves safe and it was shrouded in unbelievable secrecy that they would not admit for a long time we were behind some of these strikes. everybody understood as a journalist we were behind them. shrouded a lot of secrecy and it bothers me as a journalist. on thisgoing to depend model, we should understand the strengths and weaknesses. host: you write the phenomenon f globalization -- you movement? ofd the twilight warriors -- is it behind the movement of tar want -- of twilight warriors? guest: it is. the fbi handle domestic intelligence and the cia handled national intelligence. there were huge disconnect between those agencies. huge disconnect, huge cultural clashes between those organizations. an

we said, you can join in the fight against al qaeda, or if you decide to stick with al qaeda and binwe would consider you enemies and we're going to come with lethal force. >> at the same time we're demanding all these other things, he's not going to forget about these two americans. >> release all foreign nationals, including american citizens you have unjustly imprisoned. >> you're going to do all these other things and turn over these foreigners as well. >> either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. >> when we heard that speech, we were sitting in a meeting with some -- like top taliban, and they were laughing on it. >> the taliban rejected our overtures to turn over bin laden and to break away from al qaeda. taliban leadership had that opportunity, but they rejected it. >> and, therefore, these people went from being detainees to hostages. that's the way we were thinking about it now. >>> a plane has crashed into one of the towers of the world trade center. >> 9/11 changed all of this. >> you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. >> these people went from being

where supports helped french allies rolled back al qaeda branches there. in somalia where u.s.rations of art and african union led force and international peacekeepers. in yemen, four years of targeted strikes integrated isil in the peninsula. these offensive efforts have totressed a global effort make terrorist networks harder to breach our defenses and spread their violent ideologies. working with european allies who suffered terrible attacks, we have strengthened intelligence sharing and cut in half the flow of four fighters to isil. we have worked with our tech sector to push back terrorist messages on social media that motivates people to kill. recent studies show that isil's propaganda has been cut in half. we have launched a global engagement center to it our voices countering isil's perversion of islam, and are working with partners from the gulf to southeast asia. this is your work. should take great pride in the progress that we have made over the last 8 years. that is the bottom line. no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack o

al qaeda have a lot longer to develop, over a decade with very little harassment so they could afford to be more careful. isis developed very quickly and decided to be more ambitious they are open to infiltration by honestly don't know the answer to that i would say that certainly hasn't been want perfect because there are ugly surprises like the paris attacks in the brussels attacks but rather than being the j.v. team team, these are learning organizations where they share the of lessons for over a decade they learned of the of core out the strategy in the pantheon is money for the recruits they learn from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula that very sophisticated social media and recruitment inspiring those low wolves with on-line magazines and they'll learn from al qaeda and arak with brutality and that plays well of all of the terrorist groups al qaeda and i racked by far was most brutally willing to massacre and isis does the same thing we have seen the brutality and 18k i solicit is al qaeda 3.no. but i am not sure if we have infiltrated it is not nearly where it should be. >>. >

historic al qaeda, but there must be sent franchise is al qaeda in the indian subcontinent.here are probably around 300 or so and that is a rough estimate. we continue to keep very significant pressure on them. most recently, as announced by the pentagon, we took strikes in one of the northeastern provinces of afghanistan, we leader andal qaeda his two closest associates. we think we are putting significant pressure on al qaeda and we will continue to do that. standpoint, this time master, we believe there were 1500 and 3000 members of isk located in a province on the eastern border of afghanistan. at that point, he thought they had a presence in about 10 to 11 districts. now, a year later since united states did receive the authority to go ahead and target isk as based on ourns partners, we think we significantly reduced that present. think there are approximately 1000 members of isk in a province in the south. we think they are only in about two to three districts. the combination with the afghan efforts with ours has been very successful. host: general, why does the threa

al qaeda is stronger than it was.y expert who studies this will tell you that al qaeda is not weak. they're very strong. and then you have isis. when president came no office his own cia director said that al qaeda had been in iraq had been decimated. today they have tens of thousands, they are in libya, yemen, saudi arabia, turkey, egypt, pakistan, nigeria and afghanistan. they're coming after us. >> we know that. there's no question isis is a huge threat. the fact of the matter is thankfully isis has not been able to or not -- >> yet. >> perhaps yet, but let me be clear about something. mark seems to be laying this at the feet of president obama. let's remember who broke the middle east which was the war of choice that president bush fought in iraq and negotiated -- >> matt, i hear what you're saying but i think what people do feel uncomfortable with is the president painting any sort of rosy picture about big accomplishments here. they feel the world is much less safe. wouldn't it be better for the president to rea

and most dangerously, we saw the emergence of isil, the successor to al qaeda in iraq. which fights as both a terrorist network and an insurgency. there's been a debate about isil that's focused on whether a continued u.s. troop presence in iraq back in 2011 could have stopped the threat of isil from growing. and as a practical matter, this was not an option. by 2011, iraqis wanted our military presence to end, and they were unwilling to sign a new status of forces agreement to protect our troops from prosecution if they were trying to defend themselves in iraq. in addition, maintaining american troops in iraq at the time could not have reversed the forces that contributed to isil's rise. the government in baghdad that pursued a sectarian agenda, a brutal dictator in syria who lost control of large parts of the country, social media that reached a global pool of recruits and a hallowing out of iraq security forces which were ultimately overrun in mosul in 2014. in fact, american troops, had they stayed there, would have lacked legal protections and faced a choice betwee

we know the attacks were squared out by al-qaeda -- carried out by al-qaeda on the orders of osama bin laden, that they were on conceived and executed by khalid sheikh mohammed. but in those early days after 9/11, we didn't know any of that. we didn't know ksm was the operational commander of al-qaeda or who his key accomplices were or what they were planning by way of follow-on attacks. unbeknownst to us, there were actually two terrorist networks waiting to carry out the second wave. there was the ksm network, then there was another which was a network of southeast asian terrorists that ksm had recruited. and they had a series of attacks planned that our guest today knows very well. but on 9/11 we didn't know any of that. then, beginning in 2002, we began to capture and interrogate senior terrorist leaders. and these captured terrorists gave us information that allowed the cia to round up virtually all the key members of those networks and dismantle them and stop the attack that they had planned. and today we are honored to have with us the man who interrogated those high-value terro

al qaeda is stronger than it was.expert who studies this will tell you that al qaeda is not weak. they're very strong. and then you have isis. when president came no office his own cia director said that al qaeda had been in iraq had been decimated. today they have tens of thousands, they are in libya, yemen, saudi arabia, turkey, egypt, pakistan, nigeria and afghanistan. they're coming after us. >> we know that. there's no question isis is a huge threat. the fact of the matter is thankfully isis has not been able to or not -- >> yet. >> perhaps yet, but let me be clear about something. mark seems to be laying this at the feet of president obama. let's remember who broke the middle east which was the war of choice that president bush fought in iraq and negotiated -- >> matt, i hear what you're saying but i think what people do feel uncomfortable with is the president painting any sort of rosy picture about big accomplishments here. they feel the world is much less safe. wouldn't it be better for the president to reall

he said to me that al-qaeda -- now, remember, when he did 9/11, he wasn't a member of al-qaeda. he had not sworn by al-qaeda. so he's basically a free agent at that particular point. and he said that al-qaeda dreams of bringing down america with catastrophic takes. but that's not particularly practical. he said the real way to bring down america was with low-tech, lone wolf attacks. because the target is not our military capabilities, it's not our buildings, it's not our roads, it's the lives of the americans. he said we don't have to defeat you, we only have to persist long enough for you to defeat yourself. we only have to persist long enough -- and i talked to a military commander for them and did a lot of attacks against americans, and i was asking him about how he stages ambushes, why they didn't stay longer and try to kill more people. and he said we only have to kill one or two americans because it's not the americans over this that we're trying to kill. we know we can't defeat them. but if we kill enough of them, the american people will want you to turn tail and run. an

he was in tampa moments ago. >> for al qaeda, the organization that hit us on 9/11 is a shadow of itsformer self. its leadership has been decimated. it was never restricted to south asia, afghanistan or pakistan. even as al qaeda has been decimated in afghanistan and pakistan, the threat in the middle east and most dangerously, we saw the emergence of isil. to say that we've made progress is not to say that the job is done. we know that a deadly threatç persists. >> the president also warns against aggressive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding. >> staying true to our traditions as a nation of laws, advances our security as well as our values. we prohibited torture everywhere at all times and that includes tactics like waterboarding and at no time has anybody who has worked with me told me that doing so has cost us good intelligence. despite all of the political rhetoric about the need to strip terrorists of their rights, our interrogation teams have obtained valuable information without resorting to torture. >> this is probably one of the last addresses he'll give on n

, and there's a lot more chatter on the al qaeda groups than the isis ones. and that's possibly because of references to aleppo. aleppo is a place where al nusiya, an al qaeda affiliate in syria has control. >> brooke, just back from another assignment in iraq, thanks for stopping in. >>> we want to bring in a democratic congressman from california who sits on the house permanent select committee on intelligence. congressman, we have these two attacks today, very different, though, maybe some connective tissue. given your committee seat, were you briefed on either or both and can you add anything to the discussion you just heard? >> thank you, brian. and these types of attacks are becoming all too familiar. we mourn with our german friends who have mourned with us during dark days like this. i'll be checking in with the committee tomorrow. but these look just like what we've seen in nice, what we've seen at ohio state. and what concerns me right now is that isis and islamic terrorists are more coordinated than we are internationally to defeat them. and so as

he said to me that al qaeda -- but he did 9/11 he was in a of al qaeda. so he's basically a free agent at that particular point. he said that al qaeda dreams of bringing down america is catastrophic attacks but that's not particularly practical. the real way to bring down america was with low tac lone wolf attacks because the target is not our military capabilities. it's not our buildings. it's not a rose. it the minds of america's. we don't have to defeat you. we only have to persist long enough to defeat yourself. we only have to persist long enough. i talked to apple hottie one time there was a military commander did a lot of attacks against americans. i was asking him how he stages ambitious, why they didn't stay there longer and try to kill more people. he said the only have to kill one or two americans because it's not the americans over there we are trying to kill. we kill enough of them the american people want you to turn tail and run and when you do, we will deal with his takeover. that is the way they've been. they think they've been given a sp

. >> we had reports coming from iraq that some of the fighters in al qaeda in iraq had moved to syria, then the u.s. ambassador to syria, witnessed the turmoil firsthand. >> a few car bombings blamed on suicide. >> al qaeda in iraq. >> remains of the dead were scattered. >> the group that morphed into isis. >> the wounded were carried away in blankets. >> was suspected of master minding a car bombing of serious state security officers. >> one car goes in and blows up to take down the other defense and a second car goes in to detonate. >> the criminal attack carries the blueprints of al qaeda. >> this is a hallmark tactic of al qaeda in iraq. >> back in washington, ambassador ford met with david petraeus, who was then the head of the cia. the extremists in syria were getting stronger, he said. while the moderate rebels fighting assad were getting weaker. >> do nothing, extremists will continue to gain ground. that's what our syrian contacts were telling us. this isn't rocket science. >> petraeus urged the white house to arm the moderates. >> recommendations were made to assist some of

ambassador to syria, witnessed the turmoil firsthand. >> two car bombings. >> al qaeda in iraq.hed into isis, was suspected of masterminding a car bombing of syria's state security officers. >> a second car goes in to detonate. >> the criminal attack carries the blueprints of al qaeda. >> this is a hallmark tactic of al qaeda in iraq. >> back in washington, ambassador ford met with david petraeus, then the head of the c.i.a. the extremists in syria were getting stronger, he said. while the moderate rebels fighting assad were getting weaker. >> to do nothing, extremists will continue to gain ground, that's what our syrian contacts were telling us. this isn't rocket science. >> petraeus urged the white house to arm the moderates. >> elements and then obviously a decision was not forthcoming to do that. for quite a very long time. >> the president was skeptical. he saw the syrian civil war as a quagmire. in which the moderates were too few, too weak, and too disorganized to prevail. >> i think this notion that somehow there was this ready-made moderate syrian force who was able to

types of support through the cia directly to these groups that are working with and affiliated with al qaeda> you are saying the cia is giving money to groups in syria and those groups are working with al neusra and isis. >> there have been numerous reports from news outlets who have declared the rebel groups formed battlefield alliances with al qaeda. essentially al qaeda groups are in charge of every single rebel group on the ground fighting in syria to overthrow the syrian government. >> the u.s. government says they vet the groups they give money to very closely and that you're wrong, that there are not alliances between groups at the american taxpayers fund and these other groups. obviously they're all fighting assad. >> i beg to differ. evidence has shown time and time again that that is not the case, that we are both directly and indirectly supporting these groups who are allied with or partnered with al qaeda and isis, and working to over throw the syrian government of assad and we have also provided the support through countries like saudi arabia, turkey and qatar to do that. >> qui

drone. >> al qaeda's second in command has been killed. >> killed by a u.s.> reported drone strike. >> it is a major blow. >> al qaeda's senior leadership was decimated. >> the joke became that they once again killed the number three guy in al qaeda. >> president obama had become the drone president. >> very controversial drone program. >> has been killed. >> killed. >> killed. >> killed in the drone attack. >> have you opened a pandora's box? people will use your precedent and say, well, the americans under obama did it so we're going to use drones. is that the new world we are likely to enter? >> i recognize the danger of an an ante septic war from a distance that starts looking like a video game. >> it is a video game that is all too real. >> the death toll now appears to be 15. >> many community lives have been taken by accident. >> nationwide rallies against u.s. drone attacks. >> the president tightened the rules of engagement. >> our preference is always to detain, interrogate and prosecute. >> but drones continued to be an essential weapon in his arse

he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say that al awlaki is atevere threat today as bin laden? >> probably the most significant risk to the u.s. homeland. >> the american-born al qaeda -- >> reporter: there's one important fact about anwar awlaki i have mentioned. he is dead. an american drone strike in 2011. but here's the most frightening fact. awlaki is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror that he inspired happened after his death. the san bernardino killings, the boston marathon bombings. al awlaki is on the internet right now and thousands of his videos are just a click away. >> do you remember the good, old days when americans were enjoying the blessings of security and peace? >> reporter: the man is dead. the message is not. and yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has for better or worse waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie s

al qaeda, isis.t it's time to review against a organizations and redirect the authorization that has been stretched far beyond its original intent. it's time for us to recognize that this is a threat that isn't going away anytime soon. it's time for congress to reassert its place in this most important set of decisions. of all the powers we would have been congress i can't think of any that are more important. i view that as the most power important and challenging. the power that we should approach with the same sense of gravity, that's the most important thing. it should never be an easy vote should always be a hard vote. i think the ability to might even send a message of the lack of resolve to the adversary. the thing that i'm most concerned about are people that are serving in the theater and doing it without the knowledge that congress supports the, mission they are on. we shouldn't order people in to risk their lives unless it is worth it. anyone of volunteers for military service those is goi

you have an all-star team that has been put together to fight radical islam, al qaeda, et cetera.eam team that many americans said, look, for eight years we tried the other idea. let's go around the world and apologize. let's close down gitmo and people extremists will not hate us as much. let's pull out of iraq and afghanistan and muslim extremists will stop attacking us. it did not work for eight years. you had the rise of isis and obama said this week, yes, it caught him off guard because they didn't want to deal with the reality. there are extremists out there. they are doing horrible, god awful things around the world. so, yes, you do have a dream team of people that hate radical islamic extremists and they're going to do a great job of going after them and that's what the american people said they want . >> dan, no place to laugh at people who are suffering for hate. ben carson didn't say radical islam. islam, islam is inconsistent with the constitution of the united states. michael flynn, i watched his speech last night in totality. he said islam is not a religion. >> let's

al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. this is an organization that has demonstrated capability to come after us in the homeland. so we have to take that seriously. certainly ongoing capability has been a challenge for us, ongoing presence on the ground as before. i think we've been able to begin to address that. certainly our strike program, other things continues to move forward in that. i know we continue to keep pressure on that. we're working with a variety of other partners. as many of you know we worked closely with the uae a few months ago on an operation focused on al qaeda down in the mccullough area of yemen. that was very, very successful. i think this is a good example of the approach we're going to have to take and have to leverage here. we look for opportunities. we try to capitalize on that. by doing those, capitalizing, we prevail, support our interests as we move forward. then certainly working with the arab coalition we obviously are not providing intelligence support. we're not picking targets for them.

historic al qaeda, but there must be sent franchise is al qaeda in the indian subcontinent. there are probably around 300 or so and that is a rough estimate. we continue to keep very significant pressure on them. most recently, as announced by the pentagon, we took strikes in one of the northeastern provinces of afghanistan, we leader andal qaeda his two closest associates. we think we are putting significant pressure on al qaeda and we will continue to do that. standpoint, this time master, we believe there were 1500 and 3000 members of isk located in a province on the eastern border of afghanistan. at that point, he thought they had a presence in about 10 to 11 districts. now, a year later since united states did receive the authority to go ahead and target isk as based on ourns partners, we think we significantly reduced that present. think there are approximately 1000 members of isk in a province in the south. we think they are only in about two to three districts. the combination with the afghan efforts with ours has been very successful. host: general, why does the thr

remember, isis, and al qaeda in syria has been members of isis al qaeda in 2011 it was a peaceful protest where people demanded political reform and justice. and he crushed them from day one while he was crushing the pro activists, the people who are demanding the reforms. he releasing from the jail, actually, real jeihadists. he was accused of releasing these kind of people already in 2003 and sending them to iraq to fight against the americans at the height of the war. he started releasing them again in 2011. basically he released the people that funded al nusra from the system of al qaeda. some people became isis commanders. for him. he wanted to equate everyone in protecting in syria as actually a terrorist. the first victim of the regime was a boy. he was 13 years old. he was arrested in a city, and then tortured basically shot with three bullets and sent back to his home. his father was arrested and was forced to sign an agreement that actually jihadists were the people killing him. jihadists in syria -- >> i have to get to the break. can you hold your thought? i'll be right back. w

a second car goes in to detonate. >> the criminal attack carries the blueprints of al qaeda. >> thisrk tactic of el qaeda to interact. >> back in washington, ambassador ford met with david petraeus, then the head of the cia. the extremists in syria were getting stronger, he said. while the moderate rebels fighting assad were getting weaker. >> you do nothing, extremists will continue to gain ground. that's what our syrian contacts were telling us. this isn't rocket science. >> petraeus urged the white house to arm the moderates. >> recommendations were made to assist some of the opposition. elements and that obviously a decision was not forthcoming to for quite a very long time. >> the president was skeptical. he saw the syrian civil war as a quagmire in which the moderates were too few, too weak and too disorganized to prevail. >> i think this notion that somehow there was this readymade, moderate syrian force that was able to defeat assad is simply not true. >> jay tells me you guys have been missing me. >> then, in august, 2012, at a routine press conference obama appeared suddenl

just in the last week the times reported president obama is expanding the scope against al qaeda.six years after the attack. i will just conclude by saying having been very vocal about this issue for a number of years we are all used to not gettingll our way at all times it's been disappointing to me that we haven't been willing to take upa this matter. i do think a transition to the new administration to the transition to the new congress that could be sworn in in january always gives you the opportunity to review the status of. it's too review the progress in al qaeda, isis, al-shabaab, but it's time to review the action against a nonstate terrorist organizations and trying to redraft the 2001 authorization that has been stretched far beyond its original intent. it is time to recognize this as a threat that is not going awayt anytime soon. that's what i will say most importantly, it is time to reassert its place in this most important set of decisions. of all of the powers that we thk would have, i can't think of any that are more important than the power to declare war. i viewe

attacker called an al qaeda attacker called an al qaeda >>> president-elect donald trump this week meeting with victims and first responders of the suspected terror attack at the ohio state university. as dual rat tan has shot dead after ramming his car into pedestrians and slashing others with a butcher knife. authorities are investigating the motive but they say he called anwar al awlaki a here rein an online posting. even though isis has claimed responsibility some osu students and faculty say don't call it terrorism. >> would you call it a terrorist attack? >> it depends on what your definition of terrorism is. >> according to your definition. >> no. >> i think we still have a lot to learn bit incident. >> isis has claimed responsibility. >> i do realize that, but that doesn't always mean that's what necessarily happened. >> would you call what happened terrorism? >> no, i wouldn't. >> no. >> i would say it was a misunderstanding. >> i want to say thanks to faith goldy of the rebel media for that revealing take. it sounds like more political correctness running amok on college campuses

or isis or al qaeda in the arabian peninsula because they are all united by ideology. they have connection between their personnel but the threat was growing and he felt the white house was sort of not really explaining that threat to the public and was very frustrated. >> why do you think that? >> because he was last in the intelligence strength and the intelligence he bought wasn't getting into the president's daily brief. the president's speeches were talking about basically this counterterrorism speech in may 2013 basically describing al qaeda is decimated, our troops arecoming home, we can rely on this drone program and america is safe and that's the new normal . and hefought back and he didn't believe that . >> and is he still fighting that fight to some extent? >> he still believe that and he's going to be a very senior person so yes, one of the things you will see from the company administration is they will both be talking about this threat as being bigger than al qaeda, it's an ideology and wherever it raises its head , it's going to float this black banner i

isis hadn't risen from a fairly defeated al qaeda in iraq. we've seen the similarity of nearly half a million syrians. they've accomplished their goal. russia has a -- achieved its objective, and so maybe we can find shared goals of next defeating isis. only the first step. because it's isis that is inspiring the lone wolves here in america. potentially what we just saw in germany, but we also have to be concerned about the fact they've been in operation now for a couple years and caliphate, training children to behead, 7-year-old children to behead their enemies. we are talking about directed wolf packs. saw that in brussels. istanbul airports. we had fbi director comey, threat hearing a couple weeks ago, said we are going to witness a diaspora of terrorists. once we finally defeat isis unlike the world's seen, because they've been trained, hardened, battle tested. the situation evolving, metastasizing and growing. >> i want to tell viewers, word the suspect in berlin, or who was a suspect, has been released. so at this point, it appears who

isis and al qaeda in syria has been members of isis al qaeda in 2011 when i went there for the firstand covered the war, it was a protest that started where people demanded democracy, dignity, bread, social justice, political reform and then he crushed them from day one. while he was crushing the pro-activists, the people demanding reforms, he was releasing from the jail actually real jihadists, he was already accused by united states intelligence of releasing these kind of jihadists already in 2003 and sending them to iraq to fight against the americans at the highest of the war. he started we leasing them again in 2011, he released the people that founded al nusra front, the sister of al qaeda, some people became isis commanders because for him he wanted to equate everybody fighting in syria, who's protesting in syria as a terrorist. the first victim of this regime was a boy, his name was hassan, he was 13 years old, he was arrested in dara, in a city and then tortured basically shot with three bullets and sent back to his home. his father was arrested and was forced to sign an agr

al qaeda and isis for years were hoping we would turn on muslims within the united states and western europe. it never happened. it would be very sad after all these years of preventing that and of stealing that tory from al qaeda and asis because that's whey they see this as, a victory. we should not hand that to them now. that's very sad to see that. sean, i have to turn the subject to domestic matters and you know why. your company, crowdstrike has been in the news for perverse reasons for the targets and it's been great advertising for you, you were called in after the fact, too late, it turned out, for the dnc hack and others involved in this overarching russia story. as we talked about last night, we're watching "meet the press" sunday morning, john podesta talking to chuck todd reveals he had spoken once, one contact with the fbi in early october and despite being almost at the center of this story no contact since, at least up until sunday. is that -- i know you're reluctant to criticize your beloved former employers at the bureau. is that malpractice by the fbi? >> i don't kn

either assad or actually al-qaeda. this is the problem. if you intervene you have al-qaeda.n't intervene you are helping assad. but assad emerges victorious and it will be very difficult to depose him since aleppo falls to the hand of his forces. have we just got it wrong? in terms of russian policy, that is perfectly coherent policy, whether we find it despicable, the way it's worked out on the ground. has the west got it wrong? the russians have been brutal but consistent. they have achieved the end they set out to reach which is more than you can say for western policy in syria. bearing in mind we were against assad before we were sort of for him, we still say we are against him now. the stated position of our foreign secretary, when he meets other counterparts, is the future of syria has to be without assad, even though this seems to make it far more likely he remains in place. plainly, if this series of events in aleppo brings peace then it is to be welcomed. i think there are many who would rather we were talking about the fall of assad rather than the fall of rebels.

>> the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden, the leader of al qaeda. [ chanting "usa" ] >> and yet, the cool commander in chief of the last eight year s presided over the collapse of syria and the birth of isis, which gets us to a man with a much different temperament. >> i would bomb the shit out of them. >> how did one lead to the other? to understand why, you have to go back to the beginning of this story. chicago, 2002. >> when i look out over this crowd today, i know there is no shortage of patriots or patriotism. ♪ all we are saying >> a little known illinois state senator spoke at a protest against the bush administration's plans for a war in iraq. >> what i do oppose is a dumb war. >> that speech in 2002 is why barack obama became president. nine days later, hillary clinton and 76 other senators -- >> the joint resolution is passed. >> -- voted to give president bush the authority to go to war in iraq. >> it is a vote that says clearly to saddam hussein, this is your last chance. disarm or be disarmed. >> by 2008, the iraq war was seen as ameri

so terrorist groups are whatjessica stern al-qaeda.a stern has al-qaeda. so terrorist groups are whatjessica stern has called protein in the sense that they continuously reinvent their political rationale. i think islamic state will undergo the same process. it will abandon it streams of the caliphate in iraq and syria, but it will find some kind of popular reason in order to try to rally people from all over the world —— dreams. the real question is will islamic state continue to thrive in its current form but rather what would the abolition of today's terrorism threat look like next year and in the coming decade? professor, we really appreciate your time. thank you. my pleasure. in other news: the executive board of the imf has reaffirmed its confidence in its director, christine lagarde. a french court found her guilty of negligence over a huge compensation payment made when she was the french finance minister, but the court did not punish her. the case relates to a payment of more than $400 million to the disgraced tycoon bernard t

the only difference between isil and al qaeda is that isil said let's do a caliphate now whereas al qaeda said we'll do a caliphate down the road. they inspire to do massive, spectacular attacks around the world. in order to do that, they need territory to plan and plot and resource. and so we're making sure that they are on their heels every single day. i'd never get up there and say this threat is something that's going to go away or something that we cannot remain absolutely vigilant on which is y as i mentioned, it's not just dod and state. it's our entire government working as part of this integrated campaign plan to stay ahead of it. it's different tools. it's military, law enforcement, intel and countermessaging. so we need to stay at it every single day and remain vigilant for a long time to come. >> thank you, brett. >> okay. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you. >>> wednesday, afghanistan strategy in the trump administration including remarks from afghanistan's ambassador to the u.s. live coverage from the heritage foundation on c-span3, at c-span.org and the c-span radio app.

core al qaeda meaning just al qaeda and no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned, now the threat is different. they're inspired, they're radicali radicalized. if we want to get a read of his legacy we should go around to tehran they would have a different view. >> how is donald trump going to be different than barack obama. >> he has been vague on this. we know his broad promises which he says he's going to hit isis very hard and destroy terrorists harder than anything that's ever happened before, but also doubling down on his promise to not commit troops to places and not have a bigger footprint in the world. >> which may be a condition dicti tra diction. >> he's picked aggressive people to serve in the department of defense and other places. we'll see what they come up with a strategy for doing this, but at the moment he hasn't said too much that would be a big change in what we're doing now. >> he's not going to try to close begguantanamo. he may send enemy combatants where they are not normal prisoners of war. >> let's hope so. obama's legacy is not just a legacy o

we don't know who set the buses on fire but it did happen in territory where al qaeda has a presence. what may have ended up happening, al qaeda may have tried to sabotage this peace agreement and there are rebels in eastern aleppo not happy because this evacuation deal was designed from the outset to save thousands of lives on both sides. >> muhammad, some of the rebels are claiming it's actually iranian militia forces creating delays and problems in trying to get people out of there. why is that? >> reporter: well, it actually shows just how complex the situation is on the ground. this is an asymmetrical war with so many different players on the ground. you have the iranian proxies and militants and among the militants you have so-called moderate opposition, however small they might be and hard core opposition including al qaeda and isis. how on earth can you set up an evacuation plan with all of these varying interests on the ground? not like they are sitting in a conference room taking a vote. these are people with defined interest fighting each other and killing each over. it's d