al qaeda especially with the merge between the egyptian lamicihad and al qaeda.e was on the shura council, he was the head of the political committee under osama bin laden. he was one of the council that actually voted for the operation of 9/11. almost everyone on the shura council voted against it but him and zawahiri voted for the operation. >> and zawahiri is now the boss. >> now the boss. now the other person on the day of 9/11, bin laden asked his security chief and his secretary to put the satellite on so he can watch the operation. he was with him and then him and bin laden were watching or were hearing about the operation unfolding on bbc arabic and voice of america. this is, this person is not only the, you know, son-in-law of osama bin laden, he is one of the original owe jipgs egyptian members of al qaeda. if you look at al qaeda central zawahiri is chief but you have abu has mad al masscy, masterminded the east africa embassy attack, still there. you have leaders who were with osama bin laden from the beginning still involved with the group. >> you me

you think they'd be in al qaeda. and i found there was actually another training camp in al qaeda the same time, run by a man named al sarcar we and he is a progeneral tar of isis. bin laden gave him some money, $5,000. day were two gift men. bin laden was an international businessman and had an agenda but mainly to drive the west out of muslim lands. sarcar we had a different agenda. he wanted to start a caliphate and wanted to purify islam the way to do that was create a civil war between sunnies and the shiites and hey safe seen -- we have seen the effectiveness of this tactic. i've bryant a lot about this in my book, and i i'll talk about how terrorism might end. there's a study by audrey cronin at george mayson university. studying hundreds of -- many 400, different terrorist associations, and so see what happens to them. she found that the average life span of a terror organization was seven years. well, al qaeda just celebrated its 28th birthday, so obviously it's a lot more durable and religious organizations

i found out he was the brains behind al-qaeda. al-qaeda at the time was really an egyptian organization with a saudi arabian head-on it. i want you to understand the dedication of the people that become our greatest enemies. i went to cartoon three times and spent a lot of time bouncing around. the first time i went to sudan i was impressed with my sudanese contacts to help me hookup with al-qaeda and one day there was a knock on the door and there was one of these sudanese guys, big character, who has been somewhat helpful to me and has with him this rotund, jolly fellow with an iconic in pindonesia hat. i was having back trouble and was carrying a rubble ball and ahmed, the intelligence guy, his eyes were bothering him and i said fall asleep. he fell right to sleep and left me with this al-qaeda guy. and i said who you have and he said you can call me lo-a. it turned out lo-a knew everything. he was a dream. he knew about the beginning of al-qaeda. bin laden came to him saying he wanted to start this organization and he said i said how are you going to get him to the battle? air franc

the fact we disrupted some al qaeda activity certainly took al qaeda fighters off the battlefield, that'sotion that the u.s. can reach well into yemen where al qaeda has a safe haven in various parts of that country, that's important. and the intelligence we gathered may be incredibly important. keep in mind, u.s. and western counterterrorism officials are incredibly worried about the innovation coming out of the al qaeda official which still is the source of operational innovation in ways for the al qaeda network. so, i think it's too early to tell. it certainly was a loss of life and a tragedy in that regard, so i think it's too hard to say whether or not it was a success. we certainly have to engage in these types of operations to be disruptive around the world. >> the leader of al qaeda in yemen who put out the audio message is taunting president trump. is that normal? >> well, sometimes you have seen terrorist propaganda that is fairly immediate in response. they tend not to be this quick in response. what you see, not just in al-rimi's message is keep in mind what al qaeda is trying

you cannot even claim it is al qaeda headquarters or an al qaeda base.t is a small village with limited services. then were normal villagers. they were just farmers working in their farms. what we know happened is they landed and then they did not just raid the house. they raided the whole village. if you are in the middle of the night and you raid a village, obvious look, there are going to be some gunfire. i think jeremy explained the link with nawar al-awlaki, but she was not the only child killed. there are 10 children who were killed, six women and eight other villagers. then we can claim that maybe another and his brother were militants or we could say combatants. if we exclude them, you're left with two dozen civilians who were killed in this raid. i'm not sure what was the aim of this operation at this scale, especially that it was not a senior member of al qaeda. his main link was through his elder brother. i would imagine that al qaeda would not trust him with that label information like the trump administration or sean spicer seems to be sugge

of a new military campaign against al qaeda in yemen. lisa monaco, who served as president obama's homeland security adviser, told charlie rose she was briefed on the operation before she left office. >> the white house was presented in the wayneing weeks of the obama administration, a broad proposal, so not a single raid, a single operation on a single target, a broad proposal for increased military operations in yemen. >> reporter: of all the branches of al qaeda, the one in yemen is considered most dedicated to launching an attack against the american homeland, so the pentagon waited fair moonless night, and last weekend sent seal team 6 into a remote al qaeda hideout. the seals landed a fuel miles away and tried to sneak up-- it but were detected and began taking heavy fire. they called i gunships but civilians, including some children, were also inside. no longer pinned down, the seals moved through the building killing al qaeda fighters and collecting laptops, hard drives, and cell phones. in an attempt to show results, the u.s. mi

you're saying negotiate with al-qaeda, with so—called islamic state? of course, with isis as well. rse, there's no choice. i negotiated with these people every day for every little thing for two years. i needed to go to the bathroom, so you negotiate that. i needed to eat, you negotiate. was it that that released you, or was it, we understand the qataris, qatar reportedly facilitated your release. they were negotiating, yes. wasn't it that likely, that was responsible for your being released, rather than these tactics? it's not likely, it's a certainty. so all these tactics and strategies of yours and negotiating with them and so on... allows you to get something that you want from them. now, i didn't have the cash to get myself out, but i'm not saying that qatar had the cash either, but i needed certain things from jabhat al—nusra and they gave it to me, because i learned how to talk to them. vanity fair in october 2016 described you as an out of luck, out of money freelance journalist. now you're famous. am i, really? you'd struggled to make a name here. there's a documentary made

how strong is al qaeda in yemen? >> we published a report today that looks at the evolution of al qaeda in yemen, and obviously there's a lot of talk about the islamic state, but in yemen it's al qaeda that's done well over the last few years. really the civil war, it's been the main beneficiary of the civil war. as fighting has escalated between the government and the saudi-backed international coalition on the one hand against the hutus and the former president, as fighting has escalated, al qaeda has been able to exploit the chaos, control territory for some time. it's strengthened its ties to some communities. it has very close ties with some of the other armed groups fighting in the anti-hutu-sally alliance. it's been able to raid banks. and it's much better armed. it's been able to gain guns and weapons that have been passed through other armed groups in which its in an alliance. so i think it's stronger than ever. frankly, the longer the war continues in yemen, the stronger al qaeda is likely to get. i would j

it happened on january 29th and targeted an al-qaeda stronghold near a town called al—bayda in southernuding children. this is navy seal ryan owens. he lost his life in the assault. here's mohamed yehia from bbc arabic. this story started this morning with withdrawal of permission from the yemeni government to the american government to carry out ground operations. we have been trying all day to get through to the yemeni government to ask this question but they have not applied. they said they have not applied. they said they did not withdraw permission for they did not withdraw permission for the americans to conduct operations against al-qaeda and other terrorist groups, but they have reservations about the operations that happened on the 29th of january and they want to coordinate future operations with the americans. the target was an al-qaeda base, heavily guarded cluster of buildings over there. among the people killed the was an al-qaeda local commander, but he is also linked to tribal forces who are fighting people who are fighting alongside saudi arabia. this is where it gets m

it's called al qaeda in syria. charlie: right.t is now the largest affiliate of al qaeda, the core of which is decimated in the afghanistan-pakistan border region which attacked us on 9/11 but because they face so much pressure in afghanistan-pakistan, veterans of al qaeda decamped to syria because of the chaos shown by assad's activity. they went there to establish a new safe haven to plan and plot including against the homeland in 2014 at the same time we targeted isil we undertook specific strikes against them. but the chaos has continued in syria. al qaeda in syria has expanded and they continued to be focused on attacking the west and attacking us. my own view is that we cannot let up on that pressure, as the obama administration did not in the last four years, and that's got to be kept up and that includes working with partners to do it. charlie: help us understand the national security implications of biochemical weapons and bioterrorist weapons and the whole range of things that are sometimes called pandemics and the range

did al qaeda know the americans were coming? >>> the dangerous commute tonight. more than 200 crashes in the northeast, the storm system affecting millions. >>> and new security revealed tonight ahead of the super bowl. what they're concerned about. >>> good evening as question come on the air in the west tonight. breaking news, president trump just moments oorks revealing judge neil gorsuch is his pick. he said, i am a man of my word, and for many voters, this was the most important issue. judge gorsuch and his wife, louise on the side there. apart from previous presidents, hoping to drive up viewership. he is quite young. turning 50 this year. he could serve a very long time. president trump as a candidate said he would replace the late antonin scalia with someone who would be, quote, scalia reincarnated. terry, a lot of comparisons tot late justice scalia. >> reporter: absolutely. promise kept by president trump on this score. there is no question that neil gorsuch has modeled his career on justice scalia. he sticks to the le

drone takes out a key leader of al qaeda. a puzzling, sharp increase in colorectal cancer among the young. >> didn't even think that young people could get colon cancer. >> pelley: and a travel guide for survival when the south was segregated. >> they had this safe haven where they could stop here and be treated with dignity. this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley, reporting tonight from washington. >> pelley: unity is to be the theme tonight in the president's first address to a joint session of congress. his audience will be republicans and democrats, top military commanders, members of the supreme court, and we, the people, the whole constitution under one dome. president trump is expected to call for sharp increases in spending for defense and infrastructure. but if unity is to be the theme, it would be a fresh start for mr. trump who has attacked powerful members of his own party, called federal judges "dumber than a bad high school student," and declared the news media "the enemy of the american people." in ou

, therefore russia indirectly is helping al qaeda. so president ghani's approach to thb has been fight, fracture, talk. we need to keep pressure on them, i articulated ways to do this, through special forces, to increase control. through diplomatic engagement with pakistanis to increase pressure on that. this would be a whole government approach but the objective would be an eventual reconciliation. this will take some years, i believe. senator nelson: does that reconciliation include the taliban? gen. nicholson: ideally, the taliban would reconcile and that would remove their support for groups. senator nelson: how does the taliban reconcile with the government of afghanistan when they're being aided and abetted by russia to work against our efforts? gen. nicholson: you're exactly right this requires a whole-government approach. diplomatic as well as military we et us to a place where can have a reconciliation. senator nelson: so you don't see a dynamic between isis and the taliban? gen. nicholson: they're ideologically in conflict a

after his release, he went to syria, where al qaeda has been attempting to take advantage of theicofthe chaos caused by the l war to establish a new base of operations. al-masri was back in business, but also back in range of drone strikes, and on srngd the c.i.a. found him one last now, drones have killed about 10 senior al qaeda leaders in syria in the 2.5 years since the u.s. began conducting air strikes there. scott. >> pelley: david martin across the river at the pentagon. david, thank you. coming up next on the cbs evening news, hundreds of women who worked for a huge jewelry chain claim they are victims of sexual misconduct. ♪ your body was made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. before you and your rheumatologist move to another xeljanz is a small pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz can reduce joint pain and swelling in as little as two weeks, and help stop further joint damage. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cance

-russia ties, and hopes he can get along an update on last week's raid on an al-qaeda compound in yemen.. military officials tell nbc.. the u.s. raid failed in its primary objective of capturing or killing qassim al-rimi. he's the leader of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the raid killed a u.s. navy seal ryan owens, 14 al-qaeda fighters, and several civilians, including an eight-year-old girl. the officials say it's unclear whether al-rimi was at the compound when it was raided. since the raid, he's released audio messages.. mocking president trump. two men in dearborn, michigan are free on bond, after a bizarre confrontation with police. the men wanted to file a complaint about being pulled over earlier by dearborn police officers. so they walked into the police station sunday, wearing body armor. one of the men had guns. the other videotaped the incident. police officers were waiting with guns drawn. a standoff occured, as the men argued.. they had a right to carry weapons. the video then went blank, but the audio continued. the confrontation ended without shots being fired. both m

for al-qatar was director for al qaeda. he was involved in plotting against the us homeland so this is one example, without getting into classified detail of a specific terrorists operating in afghanistan. he was involved in plotting against the us homeland, more importantly his organization, al qaeda and affiliates have nearly contributed integrated as you know and our objective is to destroy them. in afghanistan. we will continue to keep pressure but in order to do that, we need to maintain the counterterrorism platform that we have in afghanistan. this is how it directly relates to our national security. i would also add center if i made, that from a height of our engagement in afghanistan, over the past 15 years, we were over 100,000 troops, now down to about 10 percent of that. as we look at this commitment over time. absurd that we get into afghanistan will enable us to build the afghan forces and as determined mentioned, is how they work doing most of the fighting. from the height of our assistance to the afghan secu

focus on isis, al-qaeda has grown stronger.it always has had a structure that has made it very dangerous, and that is it operates and affiliate groups scattered groups around the middle east, the one in yemen, the arabian peninsula is among the stronger of those affiliate groups, in it has long posed a threat to the united states. the situation in yemen has really been chaos since the arab spring. you've got al-qaeda operating there, but you've also have the iranians, you have the rebels who are backed by iran, and you have the various nationalist forces fighting over there. it has really become a great area. an area where terrorist groups can operate with relative impunity and in so al-qaeda has taken advantage of that anna perley been plotting an attack against the united states, and it looks like this raid may have disrupted that. >> jenna: what do you think this tells us about our war on terror under president trump? >> i think the sense is that is expanding and is not only going to be against isis but also al-qaeda. it's a

this was an intelligence raid against al qaeda headquarters.gh value leaders they found, including the leader. he released a recording after the raid mocking the raid and mocking president trump. saying the raid's failure to capture him was akin to a slap in the face. there is a $5 million bounty on his head. military officials say the intelligence gathered in the raid could potentially lead to his capture down the road. that is one of the reasons the mission was green lit to get the inn te intelligence to paint that picture. the raid was a costly one. cost the life of the navy s.e.a.l. some ngos estimates up to 23 civilian casualties. military officials say the intelligence gathered during the mission is already yielding valuable insighinsights. >> ryan browne, thank you. >>> time for an early start on your money. asian markets lower. u.s. futures are flat. a pause on the trump rally. the fight against president trump's travel ban added another voice. elon musk is the ceo of tesla and spacex. he joined other tech companies in the legal fight o

al-qaeda in syria has expannedded. they continue to be focused on attacking the west and attacking us. and my own view is we cannot let up on that pressure as the obama administration did not in the last four years. and that's got to be kept up. and that includes working with parter ins to do it. >> help us understand the national security implications of bio chemical weapons and bio terrorist weapons and the whole range of things that are sometimes called pan demics and the range of weapons that have a powerful possibility to be used as weapons of attack. >> so i think about this in two ways, charlie. one is the ever present concern that a militia actor state or nonstate or terrorist actor is going to get their hands on a patho gen that they can weaponnize. or use, chemical attacks as we've seen isil doing in iraq. so that concern is ever present. now it takes a certain amount of sophistication, it takes a safe place to plot and plan which is why we're applying the pressure we are as we just talked about. so we need t

the taliban is who is connected to al qaeda. saysf the afghan people that the returns afghan rule would be bad for the company. -- for the country. the organization -- they are different our enemy in afghanistan. to say that the taliban aided bin laden? gen. nicholson: absolutely. >> would you have more authority when it comes to engaging them? gen. nicholson: sir, if i was granted those authorities at administration, i would. >> would you use them? gen. nicholson: yes. >> with that change the momentum on the battlefield? gen. nicholson: it would. >> what does losing look like? gen. nicholson: it would be an attack emanating from this region. >> is it possible if we leave? gen. nicholson: absolutely. >> is it likely if we leave? gen. nicholson: yes, sir. just a matter of time. >> when it comes to staying, do you have the ability to ask for more troops that go -- more troops? gen. nicholson: i think the conversation is open for that. my initial impression in these conversations are ongoing -- we are open to a discussion of an obj

and that has, he said to me, that al qaeda.emember when he did 9/11 he was not a member of al qaeda. so he was basically a free agent at that particular point. and he said that al qaeda dreams of bringing down america with catastrophic attacks. that is not particularly practical. he said the real way to bring down america was with low-tech, lone wolf attacks. because the target is not our military capabilities, is not the buildings, not our roads. it is the minds of the americans. he said we don't have to defeat you. will have to persist long enough for you to defeat yourself.we only have to persist long enough and i talked one time to a military commander for them and do a lot of attacks against americans. and i was asking him about how he stages ambushes. you know why they didn't stay there longer and fight long and try to kill more people. and he said we only have to kill wanted to americans. because is not the americans over there that we are trying to kill. we know we can't defeat them but we kill enough of them the americ

raid. 14 al qaeda militants were killed and important intelligence was gathered. it is being called a success by the white house, however that assessment is being questioned as the bloody firefight left one navy s.e.a.l. and multiple civilians dead and the main target of the raid actually escaped. here's new information on the raid. >> reporter: multiple military and intelligence officials tell nbc news the real reason for the u.s. military operation in yemen last week. the top secret target, the man american intelligence officials designate the third most dangerous terrorist in the world, the head of al qaeda in yemen. his name qassim al rimi. the mission, kill or capture him. >> i think it is a successful operation by all standards. >> reporter: we learned the high steaks gamble to camture him was not a success. he is alive in yemen. according to multiple officials who confirm that he released an audio recording, taunting president trump as he spoke to the yemeni people, saying "the fool of the white house got slapped at the beginning of his road in your land."

after a one-hour gun battle, 14 al qaeda fighters were also dead. navy seal, ryan owens lay dying and three others wounded. while members of the team went through the buildings collecting lap tops, hard drives and cell phones, a medevac came in to pick up the wounded. it lost power and made a hard landing injuring three of the crew. a second medevac took all the wounded to a ship off the coast of yemen. after the last of the seals had left, an air strike destroyed the one medevac left behind. president trump said the mission was successful, but the real measure ofuc captured on the raid son: it's been more daughter: no, it hasn't. mom: hey, can you two keep it down? son: i want it. it's my turn. daughter: no it isn't. mom: please just keep it down. [tires screeching] mom: i remember days when just driving down the street would give me anxiety. and now look at me. [restaurant sounds] man 1: don't get me wrong, i still don't love crowded places, but it's good to get out again. [restaurant sounds] [plates crashing] man 2: noises like that used to make

the white house claims the raid was designed to collect information on al qaeda targets in yemen, butur-long firefight left a u.s. navy s.e.a.l. dead, three others wounded, and a u.s. aircraft destroyed. white house press secretary sean spicer insists the mission was a success. >> it's absolutely a success. i think anyone who would suggest it's not a success does disservice to the life of chief ryan owens. >> david martin has the other side of the story. >> this is a major setback for a planned military campaign against the branch of al qaeda officials consider to be the one most likely to launch terrorist attacks against the u.s. pictures from the aftermath bore signs of an operation gone wrong. 14 al qaeda operatives were killed in the january 29th raid, but also at least 15 civilians. the yemeni government is outrained by the civilian casualties. under the cover of night, s.e.a.l. team 6 advanced towards an al qaeda compound but were pinned down and called in an air strike, killing militants and civilians inside. the team then raided the compound. chief petty officer ryan owens was

, therefore russia indirectly is helping al qaeda. gen. nicholson: yes, sir. sen. nelson: in afghanistan. gen. nicholson: the taliban are the medium for many of these other terrorist groups to operate. because of the convergence of these groups. your logic is absolutely sound, sir. sen. nelson: does that include isis? gen. nicholson: we don't see the same level of cooperation between the taliban and isis. they are in conflict with one another. but the taliban is not achieving the key effects in reducing isis. that's coming from the united states and the afghan counterterrorism effort. in response to senator graham, you said, when we leave -- restate what you said. we can leave, in your opinion, we can leave a stable afghanistan? gen. nicholson: i think brecon station -- reconciliation would be the goal between the belligerents and afghanistan. this is what the government want s -- a reconciliation with the belligerents. earlier this year there was a reconciliation. 20,000 of them are returning to afghanistan to be reintegrated into so

for one, al qaeda and the arabian peninsula is considered to be the most capable al qaeda offshoot.y a resurgent al qaeda would be troublesome. the government has requested a review of last month's operation following joe outcries over the civilian casualties. yemen was included in the trump travel ban increasing tensions with that country. it will be hard to fight isis or al qaeda without friends on the ground in that region. >>> the correct answer to the "qup "gps" challenge question is "c." when ranked by projected gdp, the united states is expected to be the second largest economy after china in 2050. followed by india, indonesia and japan. price water house coopers points out when examining gdp, india will surpass the united states by 2040 to become the world's second biggest economy. overall the report says the world economy could more than double in size by 2042 mainly due to technology driven productivity improvements. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. >>> hello everyone. thank you for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka

for one, al qaeda and the arabian peninsula is considered to be the most capable al qaeda.e isis is target number one glow ba gl globally, a resur gent al qaeda would be troublesome. yemen was included in the trump travel ban increasing tensions with that country. it will be hard to fight isis or al qaeda without friends on the ground in that region. >>> the correct to the gps challenge question is c. when ranked by projected gdp, the united states is expected to be the second largest economy after china in 2050. pricewater house coopers points out when examining gdp, india will surpass the united states by 2040 to become the world's second biggest economy. overall the report says the world economy could more than double in size by 2042 mainly due to netechnology driven products. thanks for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. >>> it's time for "reliable sources." this is our weekly look at the story behind the story. how the media really works. how the news gets made. this hour president trump has a new tv in the presidential dining room. are his imm

it happened on january 29th and targeted an al-qaeda stronghold near a town called al—bayda in southernmore than a dozen civilians were killed, including children. this is navy seal ryan owens. he lost his life in the assault. here's mohamed yehia from bbc arabic.

a navy seal was killed in a shoot-out, along with 14 al-qaeda members, and several yemeni civilians, including an eight-year-old girl. the raid's apparent target, the leader of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, was not killed or captured. an update on the west virginia man charged with fatally shooting an unarmed teen after they bumped into each other.. william pulliam is now facing indicted federal gun charges. he's been in jail since november, when charleston police charged him with first-degree murder. pulliam was not legally allowed to possess a firearm, because of a 20-13 domestic violence conviction. the indictment unsealed yesterday alleges.. he lied on federal forms to purchase a revolver. a bill in pennsylvania that would ban abortion after 20 weeks now goes to the full senate. the bil senate judiciary committee monday. right now in pennsylvania.. abortions are allowed up until 24 weeks of pregnancy. one state senator-- the only woman on the panel-- got emotional as she used her personal struggles to illustrate why she opposes the bill. supporters of the bill point to emerg

up next, brian fitzpatrick, pennsylvania republican is a former fbi agent and al qaeda interrogator. he talked to c-span about his previous career serving the government. >> congressman fitzpatrick replacing your brother, mike fitzpatrick, why did you decide to run? >> it was a tough decision. i was an fbi agent for 14 years leading up to this. i knew it was an open seat. i knew my brother would be honoring his word for term limits which is also something i believe in. also something that i thought long and hard about just like anybody making a huge monumental step like that. especially challenging for me given that once you leave the bureau, typically you can't get back. so it is essentially a nonreversible decision. about 14 years in, 6 years from retirement, in a job that i loved, that i got travel the country and world, working with some amazing people. it was really difficult. especially stepping forth in what was uncertainty. i live in a pretty tough district. a swing district. there is no guarantee of what the outcome will be. and every two-year cycle. a risk but one worth tak

seven years ago it was the al qaeda in iraq a franchise. today, it is the most significant jihadist organization for the last 90 nine years. it's the first organization to capture territory in multiple countries of multiple regions. boko haram in nigeria is a part of isis that was declared out of muzzle two and a half years ago. that money, capabilities. most scary of all, think about this, let's take politics out of the equation. politics was under manly national security assessment during the white house years of president obama. since the caliphate was declared emotional two and half years ago, we have killed or arrested 125 people in america linked to isis. that is not 25. not 35, 135. when omar mateen killed 49 americans in the pulse nightclub in orlando, what did he search to halfway through? he put down his rifle picked up a cell phone and did what? called 91 one. not. not to bring ambulances, but to swear allegiance to the islamic state. think the last administration attorney general tried to censor from the transcript of that call.

and that has, he said to me, that al qaeda.remember when he did 9/11 he for of bringing down america with catastrophic attacks. the real way to bring down america was with low attacks because it isn't our capability, it's the minds of the americans. he said we don't have to defeat you. we only have to persist long enough for you to beat yourself. i talked to a military commander that is a lot of attacks against americans and i was asking how he stages and bushes about why they didn't stay longer to try to kill more people and he said we only have to kill one in two americans because it's not the americans we are trying to kill. if we kill enough of them they will want you to turn tail and run and when you do we will be able to take over. that's the way they think. they think that our -- they think they've been given a special position by their god and their right to dominion over the world. and i'm talking that theto domin islamists, not islam in general. they think they've been appointed by their god to determine what your chi

since 9/11, one out of every 2000 homicides that have been qaedaed by ideology of al . that is not insignificant, that is 123 homicides over 15 years. carnage thatan president trump said in his inaugural address. host: how does this relate to other groups in this country? do not attract those numbers as well as we track the muslim numbers. it is interesting. if you look at right-wing extremism and i used that term to cover nt government extremism and whites of premises him. they are really pretty comparable both in the number of perpetrators and the amount of violence that has been caused in this. . get into the to question about which one is bigger and which one is worse. we have to have extremism are thereone that we he familiar with was the ideas of al qaeda. they both deserve a lot of attention. they are a top public safety threat, or in existential threat. is that because of this vetting that is done of refugees and immigrants and their home countries before they are allowed to come to the united states? guest: if you look at the source of muslim american perpetrat

we are talking about al-qaeda, because we are usually talking about so—called islamic state, but al-qaedaere. they save, even though it might have gone wrong, they have recorded some information, some files or some intelligence that might help prevent future terrorist attacks. that is what they say, but we have not seen anything yet. they also killed a us citizen. reports from the ground suggest another six women were killed and another 30 civilians were killed and another 30 civilians were killed in the raid. it seems that it would drastically wrong. also, one of the helicopters was not prepared, they had no back—up. it went wrong for the civilians on the ground, but also for the us army members who landed without a clear plan of what they had to do. does this incident heel into the bigger things going on in yemen with the conflict, or will they use this for propaganda? al-qaeda are definitely using this for propaganda purposes. the drone war has been going on since the 0bama days. at least that was more targeted and better planned. attacks like this, where there is a huge civilian loss

new details about this fire fight that was supposed to be targeting al qaeda. ryan brown is live in washington with the latest. >> that's right. it's to gather as much evidence to facilitate future drone strikes and raids down the road. this operation was month in the making and months in planning during the obama administration but because of operational requirements it was delayed until the trump administration and president trump green lit it. they needed moonless night in order to help conceal their approach to the al qaeda compound. despite that al qaeda detected the special operations forces and defense fire fight broke out. small arms fire, grenades, close air strikes and one of those strikes resulted in what military officials believe is a high number of civilian causalities when shooting at u.s. troops and air strikes struck the building. the intelligence gathered is already yielding valuable insight into al qaeda and it's future terror operation. >> thank you very much for all of that reporting. we have so much to talk about. let's bring in our panel.