k and al qaeda butting heads with each other, but because of al qaeda's relationship to the afghan taliban, we've definitely seen isis-k going at it with the afghan taliban. >> hasn't the history shown us decades if not centuries of internal conflicts between tribal groups and groups that represent different sets of people? isn't that basically what we have continuing today? >> i think it is difficult to paint it so broadly because the past 20 years has been a. of intense hope for them. in some respects there are components that play out along ethnic lines and different factions decide which groups to align with and which groups meet their agenda. for all intents and purposes, the islamic state rent and the al qaeda brand or playing out in afghanistan now. >> it seems now that the biden administration faces multiple threats from afghanistan, but was that always the case? >> it was pretty much al qaeda and over time we been able to degrade that threat and diminish it, but not destroyed completely. any of the claims that al qaeda had been defeated have been premature. right now of course the

in the ungoverned space, al qaeda group. -- the al qaeda grew. in 1998, you have the uss cole attacked in yemen. the cia was screaming warnings to the clinton administration and then the bush administration. on 9/11, there was a degree of blowback, it's true. the results of the unintended consequence of what had happened , abandoning afghanistan after 1989. that was something we did at our peril. lots of lessons to be learned from all of this. we abandoned afghanistan at our peril. if we turn our backs now, who knows what is going to happen? host: you write that bill clinton had treated al qaeda as a problem to be dealt with by legal means. the afghans fighting the taliban were begging for more american help. can you summarize how the obama and trump administrations shaped what went on in afghanistan? guest: lots of blame to go around. after this early. , the bush -- early period, the bush administration took a turn toward nationbuilding. obama was elected because of his opposition to the iraq war. he did not want to be seen as soft on foreign po

>> guest: on the al qaeda side absolutely. the group released a statement congratulating the afghan taliban and declaring the 20 year war or so against the americans has paid off. this is perceived as a huge victory. that's the top-down dissemination we're seeing. we've also seen osama bin laden's former security head was spotted in afghanistan so that doesn'tbode well for what the organization plans to do in the immediate immediate future . we've seen al qaeda's affiliates post celebrating this as a huge victory for their group and the broader jihadist movement but discussing a lot about traveling over to afghanistan now to join al qaeda and to join the taliban. that poses problems because they're going to have expectations of the taliban and if those noexpectations aren't met, they risk being driven into the ranks s of isis-k. there a curious position because they need to show over the next few weeks, months and years that the taliban and is not able to deliver security and that together they cooperate with the west. they ar

host: the taliban has been allied with al qaeda in the past, what is isis-k's relationship with al qaeda? guest: these groups are of eminently opposed to -- are very opposed to each other. there is a history where different affiliates were butting heads and for all intensive purposes, since then there has been a global competition between the two organizations. so that has played out in afghanistan, too. we have not seen isis-k and al qaeda necessarily butting heads with each other, but because of the relationship with taliban, we have seen isis-k going at it with the afghan taliban. host: hasn't the history of afghanistan shown as decades, if not centuries, of internal conflicts between tribal groups, groups that represent different sets of people? is that basically what we have here continuing today? guest: it's difficult to kind of paint it so broadly because we have also seen in the last 20 years, that this has been a time of significant hope and promise for them. at the same time, we have seen competition between different jihadist organizations play out. in some respects, there are

that al qaeda puts out.ooking to become a kind of american terrorist organization. you know, this is, you know, the proliferation of so much terrorism in the world is a really dire forecast for the future. >> yeah, it is very sobering to hear you put it like that. president biden today responded to the criticism of his decision to withdraw u.s. troops from afghanistan. let's take a listen to that. >> 70% of american people think it was time to get out of afghanistan, spending all that money. but the flip of it is they didn't like the way we got out. but it is hard to explain to anybody how else could you get out. for example if we were in tajikistan, we pulled up a c-130 and said we're going to let, you know, anybody who was involved with being sympathetic to us to get on the plane, we would have people hanging in the wheel well. >> what's your assessment of that, lawrence? >> that was a mess. you know, it is hard to imagine a graceful exit from afghanistan, and even the taliban didn't know that there were g

can al qaeda come back? yes, but it's back other places.ry place al qaeda is, we're going to invade and have troops stay there? come on. >> former president bush eight months after the insurrection condemned violence both abroad and at home. >> and we have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders but from violence that gathers within. there is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. then there's disdainful pluralism and their disregard for human life in their determination to defy national symbols. they are children of the same foul spirit, and it is our continuing duty to confront them. >> cnn's arlette saenz is at the white house. arlette, the president and first lady visited all three sites of the terrorist attacks of 9/11 today. clearly that was very important to them to do that. >> reporter: yes, it really was. the white house said it was important for president biden for him to be on hand at all three sites on this 20th anniversary of those

there is hundreds of other al qaeda if not thousands in the united nations has had al qaeda has leastumber is far too low. and yet i fundamentally disagree with the idea of a return. they are there. the question is are they there with the manner of attack on the u.s. paul: but also with about the magnitude here. we know there were a lot of terrorists and al qaeda release from prisons the taliban took over nine assuming they are returning to the camps the frontlines predict what about evidence that they are serving as kind of a recruiting magnet so that people know that is now safer to go back there. are they getting younger people of pakistan the rest of the middle east to go joined the ranks. >> listed remains to be seen. still be an influx but they certainly have a propaganda here that they will or al qaeda will be capitalized with rated we just have to remember what happened in iraq and in syria after the islamic state with al qaeda taking over a significant amount of territory in osama bin laden and also in 2014. it was a recruiting time for them and in this case, the taliban and

just the desperation that al qaeda feeds off. the al qaeda affiliate here in yemen recently celebrated the taliban's takeover of afghanistan, and like other islamic extremist groups around the world, it's been inspired by their victory. >> that was our holly williams reporting from yemen. you're watching "cbs overnight news." (ringing) - hey kaleb, what's up? how you doing? - hey, i'm good, guess what, i just had my 13th surgery. - really? i just had my 17th surgery. - well, you beat me. - well, i am a little bit older than you. - yeah it's true. how are you doing? - i'm doing good. i'm encouraged by seeing how people are coming together to help each other during times like these. - kind of like how shriners hospitals for children is there for us. imagine if i couldn't get my surgery. who knows what would have happened. - same for me. i know my shriners hospitals family will continue to take care kids like us who need them most all because of caring people like you. - like me? - no, the people watching us right now at home. - oh,

al-qaeda cells striking out. >> back at the top in iraq... >> al-qaeda in yemen... >> inside of syriatern kenya... >> it's changed, but it's more powerful than it used to be on the eve of 9/11. ("hail to the chief" playing) >> the president makes good on a campaign pledge today. >> he'll make his plans public today during a trip to camp lejeune. >> a most significant moment-- the president... >> narrator: even as he was facing a reinvigorated al-qaeda, obama was determined to deliver on a campaign promise-- to get out of iraq. >> i intend to remove all u.s. troops from iraq by the end of 2011. >> there was such a desire, not just at the white house, but even the country as a whole, to write an end to this experience and to say, "we're done with this place that had caused so much hardship an heartache for americans." >> so we will complete this transition to iraqi responsibility and we will bring our troops home with the honor that they have earned. semper fi! oo-rah! (cheers and applause) >> narrator: but behind the scenes, again and again, warnings. >> you had a number of people-- se

everyone associates al qaeda bad. but al qaeda is a terrorist group. what motivated al qaeda? it is a religious point of view. i agree with pete that if they do not like our way of life, why? is not just it is about freedom. it is also that it is about -- we are the infidels. we are not observant members. in the philosophy that they read, they interpretation of the ground that they read, it is their religious obligation to deal with us wherever we are. that is why you have attacks all of the world, not just in america. you had them in 2005, the madrid bombing in 2003. you had charlie hebdo. he had attacks that were not even in the u.s. so i think the issue of grappling with this, and it is very uncomfortable, but it has to be done. i am perfectly happy to be called and islamophobia if the person calling me that is associated with a terrorist organization. a phobia is an irrational fear. it is not irrational to fear a terrorist organization. that is the distinction that i wish is made more. not talking about this gives them some purchase, some leverage to shut people up and int

al qaeda is gone from afghanistan? president biden stated at united nations this nation is no longer at war, is it your personal view that al qaeda is no longer at war with us? start with to the right, general. >> i believe al qaeda is in afghanistan, i believe they have aspirations to reconstitute and if they develop the capability, i believe they have aspirations to strike. too early in the process, senator to determine the capability, but i believe -- >> do you believe the personal view stated al qaeda is no longer at war with us right now? okay. >> i think al qaeda is at war with the united states still and never has not been. >> thank you. does withdrawal from afghanistan increase or decrease likelihood of al qaeda or isis attack on the u.s. homeland? >> you asking me, senator? >> sure. >> my view is that it makes it much more difficult for us to conduct intelligence surveillance, functions and we can strike from anywhere in the world, define fix function, it is more difficult. we can still do it, not impossible,

inspired, not to mention isis. >> this is part of the way that al qaeda and the threat from al qaeda and its adherence and franchises have evolved since 9/11, al qaeda has learned subsequent generations of terrorists learned that you don't need to dispatch terrorists to the united states to carry out plots. when we looked at these plots, they are people who are by and large radicalized at home inside the united states, people already with u.s. passports or green cards inside the united states. and that's a really important shift in the way that al qaeda operates and sort of the subsequent generations of al qaeda operate. >> and isis with the san bernardino shooter, pulse nightclub shooters. >> they do not train. >> it is a devious ideology, whether you talk white extremists, nationalists, racist politics or islamists, these are ideologies. >> and what animates them is displacement. that's what animates al qaeda and isis. the sort f insurrectionists, that sense that you're losing something, that justifies violence. >> tree of life, el paso shooter, ideologies to look out for. coming u

al qaeda bomb to u.s. embassies in africa. in 2000 al qaeda bombed a u.s. warship the uss cole killing 17 americans. the 911 commission would later write the 911 were a shock. they should not come as a surprise. that came from the c commission but they were a surprise to most americans because our leaders simply ignored the threat. issued eight week diplomatic and promised over the horizon missiles and surveillance, screen saw was american resolve an american might. on the bright blue morning of september 11 when a 32-year-old software salesman named todd beamer boarded a united airlines flight 93. todd knew his plane was likely bound for a another mishap or catastrophe after hearing it on the telephone just after takeoff. he knew that this plane was either headed for the capitol or thehe capitol. he knew what happened to the other flights according to conversations. instead of being fearful, todd beamer rallied his other passengers, the former college athlete stayed home and. the lord's prayer. then he and his fellow passengers unleashed hell on the hijack

but just remember we were at war with al qaeda prior to 9/11 9/11/2001. in the 1990's, between 10,000 and 20,000 people went to afghanistan to train to be terrorists. insurgency sprang to life. in algeria, indonesia, philippines, somalia, and yemen. the world trade center was bombed the first time in 1993 by ramez yousef, who spent time in a terrorist camp in afghanistan. 1998, al qaeda bombed two u.s. embassies in africa. in 2000, al qaeda bombed a u.s. warship, the u.s.s. cole, killing 17 americans. the 9/11 commission would later write the 9/11 attacks were a shock, but they should not have come as a surprise. that came from the commission. but they were a surprise to most americans because our leaders simply ignored the threat, issued a weak diplomatic scold and promised over the horizon missiles and surveillance could solve the problem. what solved the problem was american resolve and american might. that fighting spirit began on the bright blue morning of september 11 when a 32-year-old software salesman named todd beamer boarded a united airlines f

and the last 20 years, he has worked closely with al qaeda.hough show that al qaeda was working on the battlefield in afghanistan, working politically. he and his family members for a ransom exchange that they had taken hostage. really working with them all the time. and this is something that he even admitted, and in fact, al qaeda has worked so closely with him when usama bin laden son had to be protected from the u.s., it was actually the right-hand man, who was responsible for protecting bin laden. so when we look at to the leadership role in the taliban, we have to ask, is it really the taliban, or are they a part of al qaeda? i think there's plenty of evidence showing that they are so intertwined that it does not make sense to play connect the dots between the two? >>o lara: the only time it makes sense is when you'rene trying to getet americans not to pay attention to the fact that on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 right at that very moment the united states is trying to sneak in recognition of the taliban islamic rhetoric. and as far as

just the desperation that al qaeda feeds off. holly williams, cb do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized that we needed a way to supplement our income. our friends sold their policy to help pay for their medical bills and that got me thinking. maybe selling our policy could help with our retirement. i'm skeptical, so i did some research and called coventry direct. they explained life insurance is a valuable asset that can be sold. we learned that we can sell all of our policy or keep part of it with no future payments, who knew? we sold our policy. now we can relax and enjoy our retirement as we had planned. if you have one hundred thousand dollars or more of life insurance you may qualify to sell your policy. don't cancel or let your policy lapse without finding out what it's worth. visit conventrydirect.com to find out

as i said before at first it was clear al-qaeda was in any.s but by the time rumsfeld wrote that memo al-qaeda was gone in afghanistan but we were still fighting people. we were fighting people that we couldn't always understand what their motivations were, what group or network there were a part of it. we had this term the taliban but the taliban covered in the number of insurgent groups can sometimes they were criminal networks for smugglers are people who are just opposed to the people in charge in afghanistan. as rumsfeld said who are the bad guys? this is a simplistic view of the american set in afghanistan. there were good guys and bad guys. that's how we look at it but the problem was a lot of the good guys, americans like to think of ourselves at good guys but our allies in the afghan government, these warlords, corrupt government officials, they were not always so good and the population didn't like them very much. the bad guys was just shorthand for anyone who is shooting at us. yet we could always define their motivations. this was

that al qaeda was involved in.don't see these right now, but frankly, with the recent developments, of having one of the most important senior leaders of the taliban with close ties to al qaeda, that's going to change, it's going to change quick. >> paul: that's mr. akani of that network which is designated as a terrorist organization by the united states government. the argument was and has been that we needed to fight the terrorists there so we didn't have to defend against them here. and that strategy has basically held for the last 20 years. are you saying that that is now being changed by the u.s. government perhaps, that we think well, we don't need to be as concerned about that overseas? >> well, paul, i do think just to begin with, it is helpful to note that the u.s. has not had a directed terrorist attack in the u.s. since 9/11. that is in part because of our effective counterterrorism operations overseas, in places like afghanistan and pakistan, where the u.s. conducted strikes against individuals, rashid

al-qaeda operatives, first in canada and also in germany, in berlin.vidence. can you confirm to me that going back to your late teenage years and early 20s, you were a sworn member of al-qaeda? so, this all started in late �*98 or early �*99 when i received a very harmless phone call from my cousin. and it was just a family call. he wanted me to send some money to his father who was sick in nouakchott and they needed the money, and then he lived in sudan. and this was very mundane, the phone call was in the possession of united states of america, i presume, and there is nothing to it, except what i am telling you. however, there was a problem. this call was conducted from a phone that belonged to osama bin laden himself, he then lived in sudan, and my cousin was a friend of osama bin laden. and — so my — i have to mention that the united states found out that my cousin was not involved in the 9/11 attack. i'm not here to interrogate you, god forbid, you've had plenty of that in your life, but i just want our audience to be clear that there were some, l

so that is the background of where al qaeda stands today. coming back, osama bin laden's military chief from his last hideout in afghanistan, tora bora who has been in hiding for a few years, was seen publicly on the streets of this country close to the border with pakistan just a couple weeks after the taliban got into power in this city. that al qaeda have kept their relationship on the quiet, on the down low with the taliban while the taliban has been negotiating with the united states, those communications were kept down and quiet. that was the assessment of the u.n. now one can imagine it is potentially going to re-establish. >> something that needs to be watched very closely going forward. thank you so much for being there for us. >>> coming up, a major shakeup at the department of homeland security as the agency confronts a series of critical challenges. >>> plus tensions ratcheting up on the korean peninsula with both south and north korea testing ballistic missiles overnight. we're live in seoul. the safe pilots. for mac. who can co

leaders, including the al qaeda leader. the challenge with the taliban governing afghanistan, individuals like that in cabinet positions, and afghanistan may start to deteriorate and become a terrorist sanctuary again. that is the concern. host: in the wall street journal -- with the announcement of the cabinet, the u.s. catastrophic policy has gone from bad to worse. guest: the challenge is at the very least, as problematic as the government was that fell earlier this summer, it was still an ally. security operatives did work with the u.s. as the taliban advanced on kabul, they released thousands of prisoners, including al qaeda islamic state terrorists and the situation is -- we have an enemy on the ground that is running the government in afghanistan and the u.s. has no more bases in afghanistan or the region. it has no friends or allies to partner with to conduct counterterrorism operations and it has almost no intelligence infrastructure. all of these developments, the u.s. military and intelligence communities -- host

>> it is. >> the purpose of our involvement was to defeat al qaeda because the taliban were harboring this terrorist group that had attacked america, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> would it be fair to say that we achieved that objective? >> it would. >> would it be fair that in fact ten years later, the leader of that group who master minded the attacks of 9/11 was killed by a united states specially trained military unit? >> that's correct. >> what happened, ultimately, on august 14th has lots of history. i know it's convenient to pretend that didn't happen. i know that we want to give ourselves sort of the pleasure of attacking a political leader of the other party and let me engage in that too. i'm going to assert that the events of august 14th was a bad decision by president trump and secretary pompeo in 2018 to elevate and legitimize the taliban by bringing that face-to-face negotiations. that tragedy was compoundsed by an unbelievable decision to exclude the government of afghanistan. we were defending from those very negotiations. is that an accurate statement, mr. secr

it's isis coursen and two, al qaeda and al qaeda's affiliates.ver the years, sustained ct pressure on both groups, al qaeda but given isis k's more recent arrival also pressure there has really relegated those two groups to primarily a regional threat. now, in the wake of our withdrawal, the question is at what point does that regional threat build to a capability and intent that is focused externally. and particularly focused on the homeland. and i would say from an intelligence community perspective that is one of our highest priorities, which is to monitor and assess the degree to which those groups present external threat. >> you have done some monitoring of it. i mentioned they have adjusted their projections as to the threat to the homeland and particularly al qaeda moving back into afghanistan. is our homeland more or less safe? >> the cia and dia assessments are within the area one to three years. i think it is fair to say -- >> they are saying it is less time now and that is a conservative estimate. >> i think it is fair to assess the de

has the taliban renounced the previous oath al qaeda had sworn? >> the taliban and al qaeda have a very close relationship and i don't expect the taliban to seriously interfere with repositioning in afghanistan which i think is what you're asking. >> the new interior minister for the taliban government is a known al qaeda associate. is there any evidence that he or the haqqani network has broken with al qaeda? >> no. >> did the march attack breach the doha agreement in your opinion? >> no, it did not. >> it did not. general mckenzie, do you know which taliban forces were providing security in front of the airport? >> yes, we do. >> was it 313? >> there were other elements. they were part of it. a hodgepodge of units. among others. >> suicide bombing attacks. have the suicide bomber -- i think you suggested to the congressman that this person might've been imprisoned. do we know? do we know whether he had been? >> we are working hard to find out where the suicide bomber came from. >> did we have an opportunity to take them out prior to the suicide

the president stated that al qaeda has gone from afghanistan. is al qaeda gone from afghanistan? >> senator, i think there is rep don'ts of it still in afghanistan. >> does anyone belief it is gone from afghanistan? it is your personal view that al qaeda is no longer at war with us? >> i believe that al qaeda is in afghanistan. i believe they have aspirations to reconstitute, if they have the abilities i think they have aspirations to strike. it is to complicated now. >> the view that al-qaeda is no longer at war with us right now? >> i think they are at war with the united states, still, and never has not. >> does the withdrawal increase or decrease the likelihood of al qaeda or isis attack on the u.s. homeland? >> are you asking me, senator? >> my view is that it makes it much more difficult for u.s. to conduct intelligence reconnaissance. it is more difficult, we can still do it, it is not impossible, but it will make it more possible. >> we don't really know if they want today prevent it. now we're in the same situation trusting the taliban to prevent our attacks. the senator

they had a very clear sense that al qaeda was not done.ou recall a few months lat, richard read tried to blow up a plane with the shoe bomb. i remember law enforcement saying over and over, these terrorists are incredibly creative. who would ever thought that they would use a plane and turn it into a missile? part of what your question belies is this notion that there was fear and the government started acting very quickly to resolve what it thought was a huge full mobility. -- vulnerability. anchor: the idea of civil liberties and fear. it turned into a political issue when you think about modern politics. the rise of donald trump. talk about how the patriot act and the fear of americans turned into a political movement. >> it's really remarkable when you think about it. what a difference we've seen over the last 20 years. for all of the excesses there were in the post-9/11 time in terms of targeting muslims who had nothing to do with anything in the united states, you had a esident who said that that was the wrong thing to do. george w.

to the point established here about the president biden and al qaeda, al qaeda has a presence in afghanistan now as we speak. the u.n. said it believes they are in 15 of the 34 provinces. but they are not at a stage that they were prior to 9/11 where they had a robust capability, robust planning capability and training camps and the rest of it. our concern is it can grow into that and if you take the listening posts away, if you take the presence that we had there than able to surveil and track them every day it will happen again. that's what the concern is. >> julie: it is going to happen again. the presence is not there. senator lindsey graham weighing in how he thinks the biden administration will work to get americans and allies out of afghanistan. administration refuses to call them stranded but i don't know how they get to a kabul airport after it is under attack and u.s. has fully withdrawn. how do you get them out? >> i think we'll try to bribe them out. if you release the hostages, the americans and allies who fought along their side we'll give you money. that's a dangerous way to d

it has new branches stop al-qaeda central no longer exists.er affiliate. there is another threat that emerged a few years ago in the form of isis and is now one of the branch of that in our region. it is scattered. al-qaeda no longer poses the same threat but it doesn't mean that it is totally diminished. i think it can be better controlled now. the technologies have changed and evolved, as well, so there is a way to protect and there is a way to protect and there is a way to protect and there is a way to make sure that western society and other societies can mitigate any attacks. but it is never 100%. have the actions in afghanistan and iraq made doing occur —— may the world a safer place? i would differentiate between afghanistan and iraq on some level. afghanistan was the main, obviously, focus after 9/11 and the focus should have resolved the issue within a few years but they were distracted by iraq at some point and i think iraq took the whole anti—counterterrorism campaign in a different direction and created new dimensions of it. i also

they could be al qaeda simply flying taliban flags.anizations were close in the past, ande would say still are. he was the arms procurement chief or osama bin laden. he fled afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks, along with many of the other meers of al qaeda across the border into pakistan. he was arrested there. he snt some years in prison and was released. the fact he has returned, if it is confirmed it is him, is worrying for the region in the world. it would show that al qaeda now feel safe enough to return to the former stronghold it lived in before close to the tora bora mountains. second is the fact he seems to be getting a strong local welcome, which will make it that much harder to root out al qaeda from the local population. this is going to be a real problem, a real challenge for counterterrorism for all countries going ahead. russ: thanks to frank for that. we have talked about those who left afghanistan. the vast majority of afghans have not. life very much goes on for millions of people. lyse doucet has been on the streets

to do, invite every country that has al qaeda?is suggesting that. the strawman arguments really frustrating but america does need to be on offense against al qaeda wherever they are. we can argue about afghanistan and getting in, but that is just a false equivalent there. the last thing i would say is, it took the botching of the afghanistan a hasty retreat to bring americans together. you now have a bipartisan agreement that it was -- that people wanted to get out of afghanistan but then it was handled terribly on the way out and they are embarrassed by it, humiliated and they want the americans to pay out. it doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon especially for those outside beads. at the last bipartisan point is that people do not feel more safe today than they did before 9/11. >> pete: and to what dana just said maybe the obama officials knew who joe biden was all along. and they knew you put him in a situation like this where he might makes dynamic decision and ultimately places blame anywhere else. >> jesse: it whe

but they weren't the same thing as al-qaeda. that there was no relevant distinction between al-qaeda, between the taliban and between what it called "terrorist groups of global reach," which ultimately washes out to saying that while the spectable version of the bush administration's policies were already an extremely expansive conception of who could be targeted, moving from terror groups like al-qaeda to, ultimately, entire regimes, the deputy defense secretary, paul wolfowitz, spoke in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 about "ending states" but in the broader political, journalistic and then popular conception, the enemy could be all of islam, or it could be something just short of all of islam. and from there, it was an extremely short, rather immediate, transition to fearing american muslims, fearing your neighbors, thinking your neighbors posed a threat to you -- not that this apparatus of war and repression posed a threat to you. amy: you know, spencer, one of the things that hasn't gotten reported very much is that as the

they defended al qaeda were al qaeda hit us. it's 20 years later.aliban is ruling afghanistan again in $85 billion in it in equipment. we put them in a better position. sean: leaving americans behind, seeing 13 of i call our national treasure. you think of all the lives lost in afghanistan, all the people who came back with these lifelong debilitated injuries. blown up legs. >> our blood and treasure. you think about the carnage and the sacrifice they have. our vets, and their families are saying why? why did we send our national treasure there? we keep showing -- i have been showing for two weeks this map. all it is is the taliban on the march. and july, july now, joe biden says it's one of the best trained militaries in the world. they even have an air force. by that time they already squashed the afghan military he was bragging about. now we have him on stipulate. now they are saying why don't you lie and just say it's okay because we have to change the perception. everybody knew they were getting their asses kicked. everybody knew they were roll

he's been the head of al qaeda. as has been mentioned to the 25000000 dollar bounty on his head for 10 years . and yet the formica intelligence infrastructure cannot track this man down. it's astonishing and the same thing, of course 3 says what happened with been lot. i mean, you know, if you believe the fact he was taken out in 2011 with the navy seal rate in pakistan and then then he was, you know, literally on the wrong with huge bound fees. and i wanted man in the planet and ally for another 10 years after $911.00 to expect the taliban takeover of afghanistan to have any effects on al qaeda will provide a boost for their activities. now, i think that some doubted. there will be competitive interests, of course the taliban is in power has government. but yes, it's going to be a boost to all sorts of flavors of islamic jihad isn't most notably, of course, i mean we've already seen the appearance of ice k, which carried out the bombings, apparently, when people tried to flee the country as the telephone advanced o

they refuse to announce al qaeda. comment enemy but i i think i'm glad for al qaeda and let's not forget 20 years ago al qaeda trained in afghanistan under taliban watch to attack thehe united states. tragic consequences. to me, it's unbelievable they would think about this taliban something that happens to our citizens or something happens that causes harm to the united states to pay a heavy price. that's what we should be doing. liz: u.s. taxpayers are given hundreds of billions of dollars in 20 years since afghanistan. tens of billions of dollars in military equipment as well. this is the same taliban killing freedom fighters for democracy and? say under no circumstance the u.s. or any government recognized a group that gives protection to suicide bombers and religious nazis. that's what nikki hailey is saying. >> she's a very smart person and she's right. i completely agree with her. to me, when you start dealing with the devil, and they are the devil. they are literally beheading people the last few weeks to coop

terrorists and worked with al qaeda terrorists. gave them everything that they needed. >> accordig to the heavily redacted documents, assady diplomat, living in los angeles, assisted two of the hijackers. the report said that the diplomat described the menaces two very significant people to an associate more than one year before the attacks. in the documents show another saudi government employee spent the night at a hotel with another man connected to one of bin laden's top lieutenants. the report makes no conclusion whether saudi arabia's government was involved but families of 9/11 victims want answers. >> for 20 years the saudi government has relied upon the united states government to bury the facts and protect them and hide their culpability from the world and that ended last night. >> the saudi government denies any involvement in the attacks. >> a tax hike to help pay for the $3 trillion spending plan. they want to raise the corporate tax rate, it's less than the 28% president biden proposed. senator joe manchin said is he

, can al qaeda come back? yeah, but al qaeda is already back at the braces. what is the strategy? everyplace we are going to have troops and they are going to stay there. people as i read it i am told, 70% of people think it was time to get out of afghanistan, but the flip of it is they did not like the way we got out, but it is hard to explain i was do you get out? -- how else do you get out? [indiscernible] you guys have got a tough job, and i am glad i do not have it. >> thank you, guys. thank you. announcer: c-span is your unfiltered view of government funded by these television companies and more including comcast. >> you think this is just a community center? it is way more than that. >> comcast is partnering with 1000 community centers so students from low income families to get the tools they need to be ready for anything. announcer: comcast supports c-span as a public service along with these other television providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. announcer: this morning defense secretary

i am not one to say, you should have al qaeda on their but not al-shabaab. this is a fundamental problem. what is a strategy? what is our goal? my frustration with our foreign policy apparatus as it stands right now, our interventions and so many places of a military context, all around dropping ammunition on someone, dropping hellfire or whatever. if we kill this guy who was a bad guy, things will be safer. that is a tactic, is it aligned with the strategy or is a futile exercise for someone's promotional report? i think we saw this encapsulated well in that airstrike that was purportedly against isis in downtown kabul. the evidence showed it struck an employee, killing his family, including a cousin or brother that was a visa applicant. does he work for u.s. forces? if there is anything that illustrates how warped and unintelligible these conflicts have become, those targeting operations. not only are they not achieving an objective, they might very well be encouraging recruitment by terrorist organization, turning away natural allies and making us less sa

some members of al qaeda are already back in afghanistan.the deputy director of the cia he and other intelligence officials now say they believe the terror group is poised to rebuild within afghanistan the director of the defense intelligence agency said just today the current assessment probably conservatively is one to two years for al qaeda to build some capability to at least threaten the homeland. the taliban harbored osama bin laden and al qaeda before, during and after the attacks of 9/11 and to this day, the taliban maintains bin laden had no role in the attack of 9/11. but they claim they will not harbor terrorists now. ken dalanian covers national security how concerned are your sources about a resurgence of al qaeda >> they absolutely are concerned about al qaeda gaining strength and isis as well my sources say the threat of a terrorist attack on the u.s. hope land from afghanistan or anywhere else remains much lower than it was before 9/11. the cia director told congress in april that al qaeda and isis in afghanistan are not capa