if hamza bin laden was a potential rising figure in al-qaida, does his death derail anil kai dan al-qaida comebac? al-qaida has several lethal affiliates around the world and he was aa ledgedly responsible for those affiliates. so i ask -- and he worked with and coordinated with other terror groups. is al-qaida and associates emboldened by this or crippled by this? >> i think it's a significant setback. unclear if they're crippled. they haven't frankly been as active. they remain a serious threat and obviously an organization that's determined not just to spread terrorism around the world but also to strike the united states directly. but certainly it's a welcome department. hamza was somewhat surprisingly not present at the compound when the u.s. navy seals killed bin laden in 2011, just wasn't present, so has been in this region. it's a very significant development at least as far as al-qaida is concerned, that segment of jihadism. arthel: the terror groups are all about martyrs. is the fact we're saying his name, printing his name, does that give him more pos post poss power. >> i don'

al-qaida is still a force in the rest of the caliphate. still a force in other nations in the region. the thing to watch is going to be with the departure of our forces, does al-qaida get a space where they can begin to expand and get some of the efficacy they had before. arthel: apart from what you just laid out, what could go wrong with giving too much power to the taliban? >> well, the taliban were the government that emerged after the revolution when the russians left. and then the taliban was defeated by us because they would not give al-qaida's leadership up to us after the 9/11 attacks. it's interesting that we're now for the future of afghanistan and the future of our departure from the country, we're not negotiating with the afghan government. we're negotiateing with the taliban about our departure and bringing the afghan government in later. arthel: is that okay? is that order the right order? >> it depends on where you sit. if you're a united states that fought the war for 18 years, you have to come at it from the position in my

two, the taliban guarantees that the al-qaida will not reestablish a safe han in afghanistan they'vee presence there but it is not form mid nlble none of us apply that can't trust taliban the other one is taliban guarantees that they will destroy isis they don't have about capability to do that as isis has grown inside of all of us we will not move from 8 -- 600 to zero despite the fact that is proclaimed as end state until such time as those conditions are met. >> general it sounds to me, and affirmative me m my decision sounds like cynicism. >> here before allow. >> yes, we have. >> a lot of years. >> 20 years engagement this president to great credit said he wants to bring our took place home put the burden on the nations upon whom legitimately belongings he has to a clear a lot of brush at pentagon, and there is a -- an abiding inertia would argue relentlessly for another two decade we need troops there to control the situation that we have yet to control. is it not time to either dry an -- destroy an enemy or get away from that particular war zone? >> yeah i mean i -- am i am sy

and al qaida. this was devastating. here's the director of central intelligence telling the secretary of state that he has interrogated evidence well the secretary turned to me and said put it back in. to continue to have a deep interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction as with the story as the kawi in his network i can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how iraq provided training in these weapons to al qaeda later i learned that that was shake out libby that had to happen just instantly happened it happened months before that he'd been water boarded in egypt when he did this no u.s. personnel were present and he had recanted within a couple of weeks and we never were told about that every statement i make today is backed up by sources solid sources these are not assertions we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence we were indisputable. we were allotted. at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq to fr

negotiations in afghanistan and it changed environment to include the taliban pronouncing their ties to al qaida and and now see very clearly that al qaeda that al qaeda or any other terrorist organization is unwelcome in afghanistan. and they've made similar declarations on human rights is follow through with those things and making credible commitments keeping them then maybe you have a situation in which the peace process has advanced as a state in which you would have some sort of meeting on on us but it's really premature and quite frankly you know the reaction from both sides of the political spectrum in cities has been radioactive what did you think when trump declared those talks to be dead are they really dead. well the door is closed but it's not locked at the end of the day you've got a situation in which you've got a strategic stalemate as long as the afghan government maintains international support the taliban are not going to be able to overthrow the government converse lee as long as the taliban maintains external sanctuary and sufficient internal support indigenous support in af

begins with al qaida. but it does not in. this very very is war on terror is irrational it's like saying. a wall on wall a war on vine and so on that it's nonsense you stepping into this possibility of confidential wall. now or your little kid reassuring us and we kept believing him because you don't want to think your prime minister is deceiving you and the route to one is nothing was serious. when the serious fraud office launched its investigation into all the crimes that we were covering it turned out that many of these arms deals have been forced through by tony blair personally he said 30 k. saddam salesman when ever there was a dispute ever in government he always found the onset of the serious fraud office go to the brink of uncovering the secret swiss bank accounts by which b. was from owning money to the saudi royal family the swiss said we're going to notify the back to tell folders randolph that swung into action. or to the serious fraud office to close down their investigation. since bond said if the investigatio

the us entertained the taliban the same taliban then governing of gotta start and which tolerated al qaida on its soil was invited back to the us in 2001 on the fischel state visit during which jihadism dignitaries explained their virtuous treatment of woman and now in the. security organ are. over there working. it's right there a woman who work in the ministry of defense. it's very bad we don't use them as of this placement. it's that they're not for you or. for many other things women shouldn't be 4 months before $911.00 the u.s. sent $43000000.00 to the taliban a reward for fighting narcotics trafficking who would have known that just months later america would invade to start a war that would last for almost 2 decades the united states have been cooperated with dean in afghanistan for a long time they didn't see them as that dangerous they saw them as people who would stay over there and and they thought they could use them this changed on 911 today inviting the taliban to the united states to try to to to arrange what they call a peace deal is a very difficult optics for the presiden

president said today at the pentagon about the taliban did he conflate the taliban with al qaida. well it certainly seems and i want to begin by just you know my heart goes out to all the people who have been affected by 911 both the event itself 18 years ago as well as the aftermath to endless wars as as president from calls and to include all those veterans from afghanistan i was talking with. a person yesterday who is with deutsche bank on september 11th 2001 in manhattan right across the street from 911 and from the towers as he you know describe for me the events of that and it's absolutely searing. it's important you know that there's a difference between the taliban and i don't negotiate ations with al qaeda not possible negotiations with the taleban are possible but as we've seen very very difficult. you have invested a lot of time in getting talks with the taliban up and running and you did that under both presidents obama and president trump i'd like to hear your thoughts on the u.s. president inviting the taliban to camp david i mean did you know the trump had extended

president it appeared today that he can conflated the taliban with al qaida. was responsible for the terror attacks not the taleban but the peace talks with the taliban they were canceled this past week so looking forward do you see this war having any end in the foreseeable future. well as we know you know president trumps foreign policy on predictable and that we know that as just a few days ago it appeared that president trim took a far more conciliatory tone towards the taliban he also let's not forget it was one of his election promises to end the war in afghanistan and bring the troops home or at least the majority of those troops home now despite those pretty strong words that we heard in the pentagon and also the comments that we've heard in the process few days and also let's not forget that his national security adviser john bolton who is now not in that role anymore was very much against those talks taking place it is believed and many observers are saying that behind closed doors those diplomatic efforts are going to continue and all the work that

the us entertained the taliban the same taliban then governing of gotta start and which tolerated al qaida on its soil was invited back to the us 2001 on the fischel state visit during which jihadism dignitaries explained their virtuous treatment of woman and now in the. security organ are. busy over there working. it's right there a woman who work in the ministry. we don't use them. or. many other things. for months before $911.00 the u.s. sent $43000000.00 to the taliban a reward for fighting narcotics trafficking who would have known that just months later america would and they'd start a war that would last for almost 2 decades is alive now to middle east expert alley risk now what do you think is criticism of trams handling of the taliban talks justified. trump indeed is try we had has to be said the trump appears to be looking for a photo op that's the way trump appears to approach foreign policy that's what he did with the north korean leader kim jong warn that's what he also did them all with what he tried to do with iranian president hassan rouhani he looks for these photo ops you

sources who confirm that they say that this was a training center for this group connected with al qaidait encourage people from all ages young boys to teenage men to older men to come to training that's why we we have seen video where at least there is clearly one injured child in the video but that it was the issue with the sense of the all age groups the good it was believed to be this training center for this al qaida connected group and it's an indication really of the concern not just that turkey hasn't of the russians have but also that the americans have that in this last rebel held part of syria the northwestern part of syria there are these hard core groups resisting conducting a last stand joshua landis is director of the center for middle east studies at the university of oklahoma he says the u.s. is confused about its spawn a c. in syria i think it's up to mines on the one hand it continually asked syria not to move ahead and reconquer the syria which would cause all the al qaeda affiliated jihad as groups to be destroyed at the same time as it's picking off these groups it'

looking at ways to deal with a sharp rise in cross border attacks involving groups aligned with al qaida and i saw. african leaders are gathering in her body to pay tribute to form a zimbabwean president robert mugabe he died last week in singapore aged 95 is but it will take place in about a month's time. every rains and strong winds are threatening search and rescue efforts in the bahamas the u.s. national hurricane center is forecasting tropical storm humberto could hit areas already devastated by heart of condoning and at least 50 people are confirmed dead and more than a 1000 still missing alan fischer reports from the capital. for no there's not much more to do than stand around and talk about what happened about what happens next this is a place of shelter for more than a 1000 after the horror of hurricane dorian police and army who are helping out the relief effort see the government has banned cameras inside or christmas told me conditions are good it's the stories that upset her. when she was crying. so hard. when the storm hit freetime her daughter had to swim to safety. all t

african leaders meeting between a fan so to discuss the growing security threat from groups linked to al qaida and i saw. and europe hold on to the slim lead there the song that's coming up in school thank you. find so broken out between prob aging and anti-government protesters at a shopping center in hong kong police made arrests after breaking up clashes between the 2 sides at the cow loom. probate during demonstrators chanted support the police and wave chinese flags before being confronted by all the protesters sarah clarke is in the un long district of hong kong where anti-government protesters held a rally on saturday. it's been a tense standoff the last few hours in the area where we are which is in you long it's on the border of mainland china and hong kong around a 1000 protesters marched to this particular like cation where they tried to access a park the place blockaded the straits and deny them access now other quest for the permission was denied for this particular assembly to go ahead therefore the police deemed this particular protest today on saturday here in hong kong illegal

that it targeted a building to the east of city that it says was connected with a group linked to al qaida or a training facility in al jazeera sources on the ground we've spoken to sources who confirm that they say that this was a training center for this group connected with al qaida it encourage people from all ages young boys to teenage men to older men to come to training that's why we have seen video where at least there is clearly one injured child in the video but it was the issue with this sense of the all age groups that it was believed to be this training center for this kind of connected group and it's an indication really of the concern not just that turkey hasn't of the russians have but also the americans that in this last rebel held part of syria the northwestern part of syria there are these hard core groups resisting conducting a lot. still ahead on al-jazeera the race to save animals from fires burning through the bolivian amazon. and huge numbers turnout in british cities denouncing the prime minister's prime minister's decision to suspend parliament weeks before press.

announcing an escalation of military operations in afghanistan the afghanistan based militant group al qaida killed nearly 3.

the white house says hamza bin laden the son of the late al qaida leader osama has been killed in a u.s. counterterrorism operation carried out near the border between afghanistan and pakistan 2 years ago the u.s. state department designated him a global terrorist after he called for attacks in western capitals. the afghan government says it will not consider making a peace deal with the taliban until after this month's elections a presidential spokesman said nothing would impede the vote on the 28th of september the insurgent group has warned afghans not to vote and threaten to target polling stations. protesters have again taken to the streets in france to demonstrate against president a man who had not for hundreds faced off with police in the city of knowns and black clad anarchists vandalized local businesses is facing renewed opposition over plans to standardise france's pension systems. at least 6 people have died in heavy storms in southeastern spending since wednesday evening the storms hit the mainland after passing over the badly are islands in the mediterranean sea on wednes

looking at ways to deal with a sharp rise in cross border attacks involving groups aligned with al qaida and i saw. ok let's go back to our top story on the drone attacks in saudi aramco oil facilities rodger shanahan is a research fellow at lowy institute for international policy is also a former australian army officer he's joining us on skype from beirut thank you very much indeed for your time so what does this attack tell us about the capabilities of the hoofy rebels 1st of all well it's already saying that organization. their right to reach far into the right in territory. but the structure and in this case it can only give the structure. so that waging a strategic campaign the same time as. the studies whiting. fighting against that mean in yemen. what does this also tell us about the abilities of the saudis to be able to intercept attacks like these are these isolated attacks that have managed to get through some sort of defenses defensive system or is it very difficult to target a drone that is flying in well it's really the last. we don't know exactly what. it's. like a lot it'

african leaders meet in book faso to discuss the growing security threat from on posts linked to al qaida and i saw last. was. turning on the show war here who tipped the scales ahead of time and here is fight with otoh when. tunisians head to the polls on sunday for the 2nd democratic presidential election since the 2011 arab spring 26 candidates in the running including prime minister youssef show her dead show head and media mogul met bill caraway who is leading opinion polls despite being in prison 70 deck of reports some. for 20 years feisal has been sitting in this exact same spot in tunis is ancient medina creating souvenirs engraved with tunisia's past but the future is far harder to hammer out a militant if you know with been going downhill since 20 live on everything politicians are arguing and we pay the price what used to cost $1.00 do you know is now to no more used to cost team day now now it's $30.00 we ask him if you will vote in sunday's election i don't know maybe not but if. he voted many times before he tells us and that's been more than enough for him he doesn't trust

invaded afghanistan after the september 11th attacks on new york city by its ally al qaida thousands of coalition troops have died as well as tens of thousands of afghan troops and civilians. the afghan government has been critical of the negotiations between the u.s. and the taliban which have largely sidelined afghan officials but a spokesperson welcomed trump's announcement. there was an important day for the taliban to. to brace up political life they tend to do so and they. continue to violence while they were talking to the city he was in touch with the mission and we didn't see any commitment by the top 4 and peace process except talking and you know. continue to go have this now of course meanwhile the taliban said the decision will harm the u.s. more than anyone else but seem to leave the door open to more talks to. his pledge to withdraw the remaining 14000 u.s. troops from afghanistan but faces resistance from the afghan government. and some u.s. lawmakers who say it's too early to leave the afghans on the road. and there. has been following the story for us from all thank