submarines patrolling the into pacific region and less across life, se eurasia sent to vice president al rasmussen and mr. ross instant. thank you very much indeed for, for joining us now on the program. so deals are being strung between needs her members themselves. what messages does this send out about this state of the alliance? i think one, i think we've had several issues that you just cover issues between greece and turkey. and we had the most recent i'm i would say misplaced alliance between the u. k. u. s. ross, earlier as the wife and which basically went against a lion. her basically put a put a dagger in the trust there were. so we've got we've got issues within the, a nato ally to say that it's, it's not an important alliance. it it but i think i think europe needs to look out for themselves and they should realize that other allies don't necessarily look out after the interest of european. and so i think her, mr. um, president mccall has been pushing for this for a long time until merkel with support of it as well. and i think this is just a step in that direction. you know, with the