al-jazeera simone of all things in reporting there from ramadi right let's discuss then where iraq's all wealth has gone joining me now from london is adamant about julie amad is the chief investment officer of the a.f.c. iraq fund and a board member of the credit bank of iraq good to have you with us so our colleagues at al-jazeera arabic have reported that about $9000000000.00 is going on salaries for people who don't exist i'm wondering how does a problem like this continue for so many years in iraq it's not like everybody doesn't know that there are these ghost salary issues going on in iraq well i think you've hit it on the nail everybody knows that we have a large number of ghost employees whether the figure is anywhere near the $9000000000.00 i think that's open for debate simply because we don't have precise numbers we have at best at best guess estimate because the the government itself does not have a precise number of its own employees that's one of the challenges we have the budget recognizes we have 3200000000 and 2000000 employees however no one knows that true or not s