obis records for al qaeda. -- more obvious recruits for al qaeda. along with their camera shy western advisers -- the word from the west, the yemeni president, is we will work harder to improve people's lives. >> corruption, unemployment, these are the things that will bring them down. these are the things that we need to pay attention to. >> what about al qaeda? >> that will not work overnight. >> the problem for long term strategy is that it takes awhile to figure out whether or not it is working or not. analysts are thinking very hard at the moment about what they will be doing now if al qaeda in the arabian peninsula had brought down an aircraft over the weekend. their problem is there are no good alternatives to what they're doing at the moment, and what they're doing it at this moment may not work. bbc news. >> the british prime minister david cameron and the president of france, nicolas sarkozy, were at a summit meeting in london, and they talked abut nuclear warhead testing. both countries say the agreements will not start a new era -- will

i think the al-qaeda and in the arabian peninsula is one of the most active groups of al-qaeda.hey look at where opportunity is best, poverty-stricken areas. we can probably expect places like yemen are hotbeds of activity. >> what is clear is that al- qaeda is fixated very much on airlines. united kingdom, germany introduced new security measures on air freight. there is a limit to what you can do. >> it is an enormous challenge. there are no restrictions that come in at midnight this evening. and you will see a review, not just an united kingdom, but also in the united states about how best to try to prevent airlines being used as weapons and in the future. >> ok, thank you very much indeed for talking to us. the government of iraq says it has no choice but to take military action to end a hostage crisis in baghdad on sunday. 50 people died when police stormed a catholic church where worshipers were being held by gunmen. the iraq -- iraqi defense ministry has declared the operation a success, despite the casualties. the pope has condemned the hostage-taking. >> church service

they have done a great job of suppressing al-qaeda an arab country.hey probably have more information than anyone does about what al-qaeda is doing in yemen today. they are critical. >> yemen, too, is it critical. the cia is seen operating unmanned drones. but this is a corrupt, poor country and there is little love for the yemeni government. frank gardner, bbc news. >> more of the main news for year. more briefly, the u.k. and france will sign new defense trees on it tuesday. the two countries are not likely to serve alongside each other and the same brigade. we're being told the level of cooperation plan is unprecedented. japan is protesting a visit by the russian president meet yet medvedyev -- dmitry medvedev. officials in tokyo at have described it as "regrettable. -- "regrettable." former british prime minister margaret thatcher has been discharged from hospital. she picked up and inflexion after -- an infection after a bout of flu. doctors have given her the all clear. the government in iraq says they had no choice but to use force. 52 died whe

al qaeda has found a real home there.nk we've run into a real problem when we talk in the west about the al qaeda threat, we tend to talk about it in geographic terms, afghanistan, iraq, saudi arabia, yemen, when we should be talking about it in ideologic terms because this kind of radicalization is everywhere. >> yemen is not -- >> does anybody go on like that in any part of the world you live in? designating someone for assasination, any citizen of the united states, by the way, al-awlaki. do you think that's okay? >> no, i don't think it's okay. he is an american citizen, like you say. it's very bizarre that they would target somebody -- >> the aclu mounted a case against this, even though it's distasteful for them to do. >> maggie thatcher had the i.r.a. folks assassinated and the israelis assassinated the guys involved in the munich master. >> by order? >> oh, sure. but yemen is one of the most tribe alizeed societies in the world, 25 million, the population will double in 40 years, break in half, south and north. th

they turned against al-qaeda. al-qaeda was wiped out to.nce, they will have a quick death and an early burial. if they go into the area, there will be met with great hostility and will be wiped out. a cadet was a huge loser in iraq. the critics of the work or right in saying that al-qaeda was not there when we first went into iraq. al-qaeda came in in numbers. there were manifested in the first or second battle of calusa. the they put together a fairly formidable structure, so al- qaeda and was wiped out in iraq. they were not wacked-out by americans. there were wiped out by a combined force. and the animosity towards the al-qaeda remains. it will not be a state based for terrorism. they have an attitude of animosity towards al-qaeda. we have an ally now. host: in your book, you look back and talk about 20/20 vision that people had. we have put up the phone numbers on the bottom of your screen to call in. our fourth line this morning is set aside for iraq and afghanistan veterans it. if you want to call in and talk to the chairman of the ho

out of wiggle room. >> al qaeda's affiliate in yemen is the most dangerous of al qaeda's branches or allies. they have hardened al qaeda operatives and leaders from the old days of the afghanistan mujahideen. >> reporter: on friday, al qaeda in yemen posted a message on line taking responsibility for the two bombs planted on cargo planes bound for the u.s. the same branch of al qaeda trained and equipped the christmas bomber of last december. but what may have finally prodded the yemeni government into action is al qaeda's growing campaigned in the country, assassinating officials and blowing up vital oil pipelines. the u.s. has pledged its support to yemen, and backed it up with a $300 million increase in its aid budget, much of it earmarked for counter-terrorism. jeff. >> glor: liz palmener london tonight. liz, thank you very much. president obama is in india tonight, the first stop on his four-nation, 10-day tour of asia. while the destinations are foreign, his message is domestic. he's talking about american products and american jobs. our chief white house correspondent chip rei

they turned against al-qaeda. al-qaeda was wiped out to. if al-qaeda goes into a neighborhood now in that province, they will have a quick death and an early burial. if they go into the area, there will be met with great hostility and will be wiped out. a cadet was a huge loser in iraq. the critics of the work or right in saying that al-qaeda was not there when we first went into iraq. al-qaeda came in in numbers. there were manifested in the first or second battle of calusa. the they put together a fairly formidable structure, so al- qaeda and was wiped out in iraq. they were not wacked-out by americans. there were wiped out by a combined force. and the animosity towards the al-qaeda remains. it will not be a state based for terrorism. they have an attitude of animosity towards al-qaeda. we have an ally now. host: in your book, you look back and talk about 20/20 vision that people had. we have put up the phone numbers on the bottom of your screen to call in. our fourth line this morning is set aside for iraq and afghanistan veterans it. if

they turned against al qaeda. and al qaeda was wiped out. if al qaeda goes into a sunni neighborhood now in anbar providence, they will have a quick death and early barrier. if they go into the shiite, which is eastern iraq, the baghdad and areas south. they will be met with hostilities and wiped out. al qaeda was a huge loser in iraq. the critics of the war was right when they said he was not there when we first went into iraq. osama bin laden determined that iraq would be a battle ground between us, between the americans and al qaeda. al qaeda came in this numbers. they were very manifest in the first and second battle of fallujah. sarkozy was formidable. al qaeda was wiped out in iraq. they weren't wiped out by just americans, they were wiped out an american-iraqi force. not only was iraq a victory and we have established a country which is a friend, not an enemy of the u.s., which is a modcome of representative government and will not be a state based for terrorism. they have an attitude of animosity. we have an ally against al qaeda in

>> well, the lesson that that the way al qaeda works or al qaeda affiliate groups work is that you try to go at them in one place and they pop up in another place in... almostas lethal a form. here we are for the last two years the c.i.a. has been pretty much bludgeoning the organization in pakistan with this escalation in drone strikes and they think that they've done a pretty good job of crippling leadership there and all of a sudden we're hearing more about yemen and a group that's increasing in power and sophistication and so then they have to sort of worry about shifting resources to yemen. the whack-a-mole analogy is sometimes used but it's something that... i mean it shows that al qaeda or al qaeda-like groups are going to be with us for a while. >> rose: the c.i.a. or whoever will change in terms of being more aggressive now, david? >> well, i think the level of aggressivety has been pretty high as it is. i think they'll continue with that. the question who have will take the operational lead in yemen-- the c.i.a. or the special forces-- is a question the people are trying to s

>> the al qaeda claim first off in the al qaeda magazine for god's sakes, billion dollars responses to the gimmicks, is that some sort of a way to thwart it or is there an accuracy to that? >> there is some truth in it. whenever we overreact by just throwing an enormous amount of money at the problem, they believe they have won a small victory. what it comes down to, it is incumbent upon us to view the threats out there, respond appropriately, don't trip over ourselves trying to overarchitect a solution. we are dealing with security versus privacy issue that is the toughest we have had since 9/11, i believe. we are trying to find the comfortable middle ground. so far, tsa and the american public has stumbled in finding that middle ground. >> to the point of that, everybody gets, everybody gets a full body scan or a feel-up or both. is that necessary and would it even detect the kind of things it is said to be detecting? >> well, it is actually not true. i flew out of reagan national yesterday and i didn't get that, because i followed the same procedures that i have been doing since i s

they knew about al qaeda. they knew about bin laden. think about the attacks abroad but never really imagined that they could pull off something as they did in their own country. this is something again, which requires a rethinking in the new thinking of our strategy. we're doing a lot of work on this under the leadership of bertman hoffman and the group i'm working, consulting with diverse, meeting with everybody we can in the administration regarding recommendations that this country might attack to deal with this new threat. but the one thing we cannot do is fight the last war. one thing we cannot do is continue to make is based on the threats and what happened in 9/11. we have to look at this new threat. we have to look at this in my mind as a new strategy and we have use all the resources or intelligence agencies in the united states government. and most importantly a citizenry and soul because i have often said it won't be as good as they are. it won't be the cia or the fbi for federal agencies that are probably going to discover

as the coalition does, so, too, will al-qaeda. >> if al-qaeda wants to stay here, that is the problem. [unintelligible] i am convinced of that. >> you are saying that the taliban will give a guarantee that this country would not be used as a base for an attack on any other place? >> yes. i am sure. >> whether or not he is right about the taliban's willingness to break its links with al-qaeda remains, of course, the question. if talks were to take place, nato could play a crucial role in bringing these key players together. and in fact, nato was already supporting the dialogue. >> people in the government, i have been in direct contact. we have had these kind of talks with some significant members of the taliban, the main taliban group, and other insurgent groups. >> and in this crisis, what does britain have especially to offer? >> we have experienced. we are making very difficult choices ourselves. we are trying to bring peace to northern ireland. we found it very different. both sides of the conflict mistrusted the other side within government. so we bring that experience. we bring

and linked to al qaeda. on friday explosives addressed to synagogues around chicago were pulled off planes in england and dubai. >> we can't presume that there are none other that are out there. >> suarez: deputy national security advisor john brennan spoke sunday as he consulted with officials here and abroad. >> what we're trying to do right now is to work very closely with our partners overseas to identify all packages that left yemen recently and to see whether or not there are any other suspicious packages out there that might contain these ieds. >> suarez: the bombs involve desktop printers rigged with a powdered explosive and a cell phone circuit board for a detonator. yemeni officials were hunting the suspected bomb-maker from saudi arabia. he's believed to be working with al qaeda's yemeni branch. he's also been linked to the failed bombing attempt last christmas on the plane arriving in detroit. security officials in yemen said information about this latest plot came from an al qaeda militant who s

two americans are prominent in al-qaeda yesmen. they believe one from north carolina was behind the clean content. and anwar al-awlakibe born in new mexico is a proponent of the small scale attacks. former head of intelligence at the t.s.a. says the group strategy is plain. >> if you not successful from kinetic stand point, you can scare people and jeopardize the economy, et cetera. >> former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff told fox recently he believes there has been a shift in strategy. the up-side it's harder to get operatives in the u.s. for mass casualty attacks so al-qaeda in yemen is turning to softer, economic targets. >> bret: thank you. u.s. special envoy for north korea says word of that country's new uranium enrichment facility is not a crisis or a surprise. the national security correspondent jennifer griffin reports it's a matter of concern in washington. >> 2,000 centrifuges to build nuclear bomb built under where the inspectors were based until april 2009. the satellite image show facility where the

that the americans want al qaeda rounded up. he said that the shooting happened because of a personal this agreement. later, i managed to speak to him. >> the verdict is ready. the hero is the prosecutor and the judge is the director. they want to appease the west. >> he said he had 120 bullets. when asked why he killed only once when al qaeda was directing. here the people of yemen seem less concerned about him and more concerned about how the west might respond. >> though there is a long list of that was -- accusations against them, you tell contact with u.s. army psychiatrist's that shot dead 13 soldiers in texas last year, as well as involvement in the attempt to blow up an airliner in detroit last christmas. it is possible that al qaeda had something to do with the attempt on the life of the british ambassador here earlier this year. >> it is about much more than plugging up security gaps of the airport now. the people of yemen are complaining that they did not create al qaeda. that all of them are getting blamed. which mat

. >>> osama bin laden, alive and well and still giving orders to al qaeda. wanted terrorist from a man who once knew him. the saudi prison al faisal. >>> details of a royal enga engagement revealed. my interview with royal biographer mark saunders. >>> osama bin laden is healthy, moving around and very much in charge of al qaeda. that's according to a man who knows bin laden personally and also who has inside knowledge of saudi arabia's fight against terror. joining us now, prince turkey al faisal, former ambassador to the united states and united kingdom and former chief of intelligence in saudi arabia. thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. walk us through what happened, because u.s. officials are giving saudi arabia a lot of credit for thwarting that parcel bombing attempt in dubai and the united kingdom. the information you provided stopped it. walk us through what happened. >> i'll tell you what i read in the papers, because i'm not in the official loop, but from my previous experience, there's continuous exchange of in

al qaeda tells them directly to do it or not. i'm sure you will see people who will follow instructions how to make a bomb in the kitchen of your mom. that will come up again. >> all right. stay with us if you will, everyboevan. i want to bring in the panel. the magazine calls these failed bombings a success because, as i mentioned they said it costs the u.s., the uk, billions of dollars in security and some of the measures like full body scans and pat-downs have outraged americans. in faf in fact, it made our secretary of state uncomfortable. kristin, did the plot achieve what it wanted to? are we giving them what they hoped? >> i think that what we're dealing with is the fact that these terrorists keep coming up with new, different ways to get around the patchwork system we've put together where we have, you know, somebody tries to bomb a plane with shoes. now we have to take off our shoes. someone tries to use liquids, now we have to put shampoo in bottles. last christmas someone put a bomb in their underware, now we go throug

al-awlaki views himself now as a new leader of al qaeda. katie? >> couric: bob, he may be on to something because it seems that africa and the arabian peninsula now represents the center of al qaeda. >> reporter: well, katie, there are twin trouble spots, if you will, in somalia and yemen, both with american-born terror operatives at the center but al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the biggest threat and al- awlaki is right now the biggest u.s. target. yemeni officials have indicted him and pledge to get him but he remains at large. kate di? >> couric: thank you, bob. in india, president obama is wrapping up his visit tonight, the first of four nations on his ten-day asian trip. after stopping in mumbai, the president flew to new delhi and drew applause today in parliament by backing india for a permanent seat on the u.n. security council. his other big announcement was meant for the audience back home and it involved jobs for americans. our chief white house correspondent chip reid is traveling with the president. >> reporter: during the presi

in late october, al qaeda sent two parcel bombs from yemen. one bank was -- one was processed at frankfurt airport. they said that one was a false alarm. the parcel was intercepted in england. in early november, a parcel bomb was discovered in the chancellery room in berlin. it was no comparison to the explosive devices from al qaeda. now a warning from the interior minister. there are definite plans for a terrorist attack in germany in late november. >> we have received additional information and facts relative to the threat. security officials have unanimously assessed to mean that we are dealing with a new situation. >> that means that the threat is greater than ever. the federal police have stepped up their presence at train stations and airports. authorities are asking people to be vigilant. >> a particular concern for the authorities is the rise of homegrown terrorists. german citizens that have been recruited by fanatic groups and trained on the border between afghanistan and pakistan. how much is known about these camps and the trainin

he said he had 120 bullets and asked why he'd kill only once if al qaeda was directing him. yemenese seem less concerned about al-awlaki and more concerned about the west. while al-awlaki has a long list of accusations against his name, including contact with the radical that blew up targets. it's possible that al qaeda had something to do with the attempt on the life of the british ambassador on this road on that corner down there earlier this year. it's about much more, now, than plugging security gaps at the airport. yemenese are complaining that they didn't create al qaeda, but all of them, not just innocent travelers, are getting blamed. that matters because their consent is needed for whatever happens next. as one western diplomat put it, we can't just kill our way out of this crisis. >> meanwhile, the obama administration is being challenged in a united states court over an alleged plan to kill the radical cleric, anwar al-awlaki. two civil liberty groups are calling for an injunction against a government program which they say authorizes the u.s. to capture and kill

. >>> new evidence of an al qaeda dry run ahead of the cargo terror plot, revealed last week. >>> and baseball's best. the san francisco giants wrap up their first world series title since moving to the west coast. >>> good morning. voters are heading to the polls this morning in one of the most closely-watched, most expensive and nastiest elections in years. >> all 435 house seats are up for grabs. on top of that, 37 senate races and 37 governor races will be decided today. >> republicans are vowing to shrink the size and cost of government if they sweep to power. emily schmidt joins us from washington with the last-minute campaigning. hi, emily. >> reporter: vinita and rob, happy election day to you. in 2008, democrats and barack obama won with the idea of change. but as voters head to the polls today, republicans think change may work in their favor. >> have you made up your mind about who you're supporting for u.s. senate? >> reporter: in 472 races across the country, in who controls the house and senate, candidates' midterm appeals are now last-minute pleas. >> to get a vote for

a group linked to al qaeda and iraq -- al qaeda in iraq have taken responsibility for the attack. >> two german journalists arrested in iran have requested a pardon according to the justice ministry in tehran. they have been arrested on october 10 as they were injured during the son of an iranian woman who has been sentenced to be stoned to death for adultery. there is a call for closer cooperation between the two companies. in aeeting with t rsian counterpart, he expressed concern about the conduct of the millionaire critic of vladimir putin. it is a bad day for the irish taxpayer. it is beginning to look like a bottomless pit for bank bailouts. the disappointing development, which was announced by aib's newa president, it may -- they have been trying to sell the u.k. business, which includes first trust bank in northern ireland and other banks in britain to reach 10.4 billion euros by year's end. shares like bmw and air berlin wall been impressive gains. the general market finished basilly at. we have reaction to news of portables brick through budget. >> it raised confidence of in

out to all different al qaeda factions all around the world so that al qaeda in north africa, al qaeda, al qaeda wherever, can create their own packages and send them out. the idea being, it's not just one country, it's not just one path, just by shutting off the cargo flights from yemen to the united states, all we've done is temporarily disabled what they're trying to do. in future, we're going to have to look for flights coming from all over the place. >> let us not forget security didn't stop this. this started with intelligence. >> right. >> what they're talking about the magazine which, by the way, looks very slick, talking about doing it cheaply, quickly and with less than six, in this case, fewer people involved, the harder it is for intelligence to get a handle on it. >> less than six people. less than three months of preparation. if this is correct, there's not a lot of warning signs here. what's disturbing is the idea that al qaeda says in this claim, look, we're not trying to kill millions of people here what we're trying to do is bring down the aviation industry. you want

he said he had 120 bullets and asked why he killed only once if al-qaeda was directing it? here, yemenis it seemed less anwar al-awlaki concerned-and more concerned about how the west might respond to mp3 @ there are accusations against anwar al-awlaki. they include e-mail contact with the u.s. army psychiatrist who shot dead his fellow soldiers in the u.s. last year, and the list goes on. it is possible that al-qaeda has something to do with the intent on the life of the british ambassador here on this road, on that corner down there, earlier this year. it is about more than plugging security gaps at the airport. yemenis are complaining they did not create al-qaeda, but all of them are getting the blame. their consent is needed for what ever happens next. as one western diplomat put it, and what we can just kill our way out of this crisis -- we can just kill our way out of this crisis. >> united states has banned printer cartridges and toner from all air-traffic. a ban on all air cargo from yemen has been expanded to include somalia. the u.s. says the measures will remain

jon: al-qaeda's branch in yemen is threatening the u.s. with what it calls death by a thousand cuts, the group promises more small scale attacks that a are -- that are cheap and easy to launch and could cost billions of dollars to limit. neil liveston six kp-bg -- of executive action, the point in this online magazine called inspire that comes from al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, neil, they say they basically spent less than $5500 to launch that pack bomb plot and it's going to cost the u.s. billions of dollars in new security to say nothing of, you know, disrupted passengers that we see that at the airports. do they have a point? >> of course they have a point. it's been -- they spent # years trying to get something going in this country but they were trying to get another home run like 9/11 and they figured out if they can just do lots of small attacks and they can jerk our chain on a regular basis, that it's going to not only -- not only are we going to spend millions for security but it's going to disrupt say the cargo freight syste

a weakness al qaeda wants to try to exploit. reporting live from washington d.c. alison burns. >>> we are hearing the death toll has risen to 52 on a catholic church in iraq. the attackers stormed the baghdad church during a sunday service. it took 120 iraqi christians hostage. iraqi security forces stormed the building. the gunman wanted to trade the hostages for al qaeda prisoners. >>> jan brewer in san francisco this morning to attend a hearing at the ninth circuit court of appeals. brew eres lawyers will try to convince the judges to allow arizona's a judge froze parts of the new law including the provision that requires police to check the immigration status of people they stop if they suspect they may be in the country illegally. bay area opponents plan to protest outside the courthouse. >>> a new poll shows latinos views have changed over the last three years. in 200750% of latinos surveyed told the hispanic center the growing number of immigrants was a positive force. in a new survey that number dropped to 29%. >>> time now 6:14 republican candidate for go

for its help in providing security is now falling back into the hands of local warlords and al-qaeda as artie's parsley are reports. there is still a force to be reckoned with tens of thousands of sunni muslims angry at the shiite iraqi government known as the sons of iraq four years ago they were won over by american dollars to fight al qaeda one of the strains they live in the neighborhoods in which they keep watch. we did a great service to iraq some where members were working with the terrorists before they joined us and they give us information about the armed groups. but despite attempts by the iraqi government to disarm them in communities like this they continue to patrol the streets because they insist iraqi soldiers just can't keep the peace. and security forces sometimes just turn a blind eye to what's going on there's lots of he rights violations and there aren't enough human rights organizations defend and protect people. but all these paramilitary groups upholding the rule of law all some of their activities questionable as suggested in the four hundred thousand iraq do

the taliban are not even part of the al qaeda.trillions of dollars trying to kill taliban, creating more al qaeda. if you don't ask that question -- >> the taliban is very closely aligned to quooal qaeda and the methods. we have to be clear that this is -- they have obsessed -- al qaeda is obsessed with aviation. they want to target it and kill americans. the government has an obligation to act against that. >> congressman, you -- >> that's what you're doing. the kids are having to take their clothes off. why does a woman have to remove her breast implant in order for somebody to be guaranteed that she's not a bomber? this is ensignty. this is not logic. >> i agree, those examples are egregious. congressman, i agree with you. those examples are -- >> let's let fran respond, please. fran, go ahead. >> i agree the congressman, suzanne. those examples are egregious. and what we hope that -- is that those are the exceptions. and tsa has got a responsible to ensure those are the exceptions and that action is taken against the most egre

to help build security for back into the hands of al qaeda. news and much more twenty four hours a day with r.t. combating international terror beefing up global security on this side in the future of missile defense they are the key issues russia and nato want to work on during the visit of the secretary general to moscow under and will meet the russian president on foreign minister later on wednesday. as the latest. two days still sorry we should was all were gracious for the upcoming russian nato summit which is due to take place in lease on a young girl in a band called the family and wants to know nato's position on missile defense systems in europe and it also wants the new blueprint nato's blueprint for a new strategy of the twenty first century to reflect russia's own security interests and so now as far as missile defense shield in europe is still some what russia wants to know is how is it going to be integrated into the new system as a mere observer or a hands on the disband in that system in the whole row says wrong is still stuck

we have more from london. >> al qaeda and the arabian peninsula's pop gann that are proving to be as innovative askers bombmaking. a new web-based magazine is called "inspire," and it has now threatened more of the same sort of bomb a, the that caused a major security scare last month. those bombs were hidden in printer cart rajs at shipments addressed to two synagogues in chicago but were intercepted because of an intelligence tip and diffused in dubai and the united kingdom. al qaeda's new magazine, published in english for maximum effect in the u.s., now proudly cites the bombs as bargains for the disruption they caused, the costs they say, two cell phones at $150. two printers at $300 a throw, plus shipping and other costs for a total of $4,200. it is such a good bargain for us, says the magazine, to spread fear among the enemy and keep him on his toes in exchange of a few months of work and a few thousand bucks. the use of american slang may well show the hand of a.q.a.p.'s foreign propaganda's john lackey -- anway al-awlak and the threat of more such attacks is being taken seri

al qaeda are planning this. one of their senior operatives, ilyas kashmiri, a very dangerous man, is planning this. a lot of concern at the moment that these plots could be imminent in europe in the next weeks and at some point it could happen in the united states. >> when you hear a chilling assessment like that, chilling account from intelligence officials about continued planning of a horrific hotel-style attack like mumbai, a, what goes through your head? b should our government -- this is obviously sensitive information, classified information, but should the people be getting more of a warning about this, more of an education about this? >> well, john, we went through that whole code yellow, code red -- i think most people thought it was a joke and stopped paying attention. i think this kind of reporting is actually very, very helpful. because it tells people, look, you've got to be vigilant, but don't be scared. we can go about our lives. it's unlikely this is going to happen. after all, we are now talkin