i grew up in rural alabama. about 50 miles from montgomery, we round it off by saying 48 to 50 miles from montgomery. my father had been a sharecropper, a tenant farmer. but in 1944 when i was 4 years old, and i do remember when i was 4, my father had saved $300. and a man sold him 110 acres of land. we still own that land today. [ applause ] growing up outside of troy, people lived in fear. we saw the signs that said "white only, colored only. white boys, colored boys. white girls, colored girls." growing up, i was told by my mother, my father, my grandparents and my great grandparents, don't get in trouble. but rosa parks inspired us to get in trouble, and i've been getting in trouble ever since. [ applause ] she was saying in effect when you see something that is not right, not fair, not just, you have an obligation to say something, to do something. i met rosa parks. my staff prepared a statement, but i can't stay with it. [ laughter ] i've been moved by the spirit. if it hadn't been for rosa parks, growing

michelle: montgomery, alabama. fred: in montgomery, alabama. but when i talked to mrs.ter i got back in town on december 1, and she retained me to represent her, i asked her to tell me about anybody who did anything on that bus that would help her in her case. she did not tell me any person, white nor black, had offered to help her to do anything. they were there, the officer who had police power asked her to get up. she politely told him she was not going to get up. she was not disorderly. and they would have helped her if we had had some witness on the bus, black or white, to come to mrs. parks' rescue. but she never told me, and i never subpoenaed anyone to testify on her behalf because we did not know at the time. we knew white people were on the buses. and i am not saying she was not there at all. and i am sure there were at least more than 10 white people because they had all of the seats taken. there were black people on the bus, but nobody thought enough of miss parks to come to mrs. parks' rescue, so she was arrested, and the rest is history. michelle: tell us

you did not even live in montgomery, alabama. lived outside of montgomery. >> my husband was stationed at maxwell air force base. michelle: so you did not live on the base? we lived on the base. how did you come to be on that bus? >> well, after we moved to montgomery, i went to the doctor at the base and i found out i was going to have a baby, and the doctor required that i do a lot of walking. every day, i would walk to the city and walk back. i had a coin with me in case i needed to ride the bus, but i actually did a lot of walking. that day, i guess i was tired. i have no idea. maybe i was ready to go home. but i got on the bus and i sat on a long seat behind the driver, and all of a sudden, the driver stood up, turned around, and just bellowed something out to somebody down the aisle. i realized it was an older woman. she was in her 40's so that was older. so when he let me have that seat, i stood up and said she can have my seat. when i did that, fair skinned, tall man pushed his knees into mine and said "don't you dare mov

here in alabama. you don't need corporate welfare, you don't need all these handouts to create jobs. just through modest reform of licensing laws, you could create thousands of jobs overnight. at i.j. we've had tremendous success convincing states to repeal licenses for african-american hair braiders. warp to the point where a majority of states do not require a cosmetology license to braid hair. one of those success stories was in mississippi. after we convinced mississippi to repeal it hair braiding license, 3000 jobs were created in one state from not every repealing one license. license will create 3000 jobs if you repeal it, but you can create thousands of jobs and this is undisputed. fact number two that is undisputed, occupational licensing laws cause american consumers to be overcharged by $203 billion every year. these laws tend to hurt people who can least afford it. for example, if you are a wealthy individual and you have to pay a couple of extra bucks hair cut, that is not going to hurt y

was arrested in my hometown of birmingham, alabama. his crime, leading a peaceful march to protest the indignity suffered by the black community and the jim crow era. he had violated the ban on public demonstrations which targeted the growing resistance of african-americans to the injustices they were insuffering. while in solitary confinement in birmingham, dr. king wrote what became known as the letter from the birmingham jail, a stinging response to a group of white clergy in alabama who had denounced his tactics and questioned the wisdom and timing of his arrival in birmingham. they insisted he was an outside agitator coming to alabama to instigate trouble. dr. king responded famously. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. in his letter he rejected the idea that african-americans should be more patient for change in the face of the daily indignities inflicted by segregation, in the face of threats of violation. there comes a time, he wrote, when the cup of endurance runs over. well, i did not experience this struggl

kobach could win with a strong plurality, kind of like roy oore did in the 2017 alabama race. greta: where are you guys -- what are you watching for next in the senate races? leah: in arizona, we've seen mark kelly has continued to out raise martha mcsally cycle after cycle, every fundraising quarter. we've also seen martha mcsally has an interesting track where she needs to continue to fund raise but she also needs suburban women. i would keep an eye on martha mcsally, where does she go next, does she keep the base strategy, or does she start moderating? jacqueline: i'm still focused on these votes next week. i think there is conventional wisdom right now that there will be no witnesses, the white house has this in the bag. as soon as people start saying that, i think it is really going to potentially go the other way and like we saw on monday with behind the scenes pressure on mitch mcconnell to change the resolution after there was pushback from from him, i think we could see the same monday or tuesday and that, i think will be really telling, breaking with the president on

alabama,nstance, in alabama says you have to have a government issued voter id. so, your bank card is not going to work. so, a government issued photo id. what typesdecided, of government issued photo id? they decided that public housing id, for example, does not count as a government issued photo id. but doesn't get more government issued that public housing? inl, when you realize that alabama, 71% of those in public housing are african-americans, and for many, it's the only id that they have, this becomes a way for alabama to begin to carve out that electorate. what alabama did was it shut down the department of motor vehicles. for fiscal reasons, to be fiscally responsible, shut down the department of motor vehicles in the black belt counties. requiring them, people who don't have a drivers license, and you don't drive, to go to the next county or 50 miles away in order to get a drivers license. so that they could be able to vote. that is how it works. that is how it works in texas, in georgia, in north carolina, in alabama. so, the voter id sounds reasonable

some will follow in alabama past. most dates would be in the middle, passing some health and safety standards, some informed consent, some other restrictions. but not going so far in either direction. so it's not surprising that this year more than ever, states are taking a look at this and are increasingly introducing bills and passing some of these bills into law. they will, whether they go into effect once roe is overturned or provide some level of protection now, you are seeing that there's a kind of movement happening. >> you argued casey, you were surprised at the outcome. the outcome was that the court upheld roe and that greeted the undue burden standard. i'm curious about your reaction to what is happening now. is it surprising, a couple decades after roe and casey, that there is talk about going back to the states versus staying as a fundamental right? what is your sense of what is happening? >> in the days before casey was argued, we were in the same circumstance we are in now. state legislatures in those d

to know alabama. the tide is nowhere in sight. changing tides is the quarterback he announces he is headed for the nfl. he will forgo his last year of college and you remember he suffered that severe hip injury in this particular season. he become a? he was going to be the sure thing number one quach pick now the? he tied up his loose end with alabama today. >> i can't express to have attended the greatest school in college. the biggest thing i've made here's the memories with my friends family and loved ones.

assert number of states to follow more alabama type pass, and the most states would be in the middle, passing perhaps some health and safety standards, some informed consent, some other restrictions, but not going so far on either direction, and so it's not surprising that this year more than ever, states are taking a look at, this and or couldn't recently introducing the bill, increasingly passing some of these bills into, law that will, whether they go into effect, once row may be overturned, or provide some level of protection now, you're seeing that, there is this kind of movement happening. >> so katie you argued casey, and i think i read interviews that you are a little surprised the outcome, nevertheless the court upheld row, i'm curious about your reaction to kind of what's happening now, it's surprising that a couple decades after row casey, there is talk about back to the states what is your sense of what's happening? >> is it working we are in the states legislature were now. i was in 44 states and two years before casey. all of whom we took up abortion bills, several 800 a

the alabama supreme court disagreed and we lost.verall, we tend to win these cases more often then we lose. we tend to win under the federal rational basis test. i am a big fan of bringing constitutional state challenges, and we went quite a few of them. maybe we will win one in alabama as well. those of the first types of challenges that we bring. and then, of course, sometimes there is no reason to think state constitution will provide any more protection than the federal constitution. other times, it is clear there will not be any way we can get the case into the first amendment or another part of the federal constitution. that the supreme court cares about, so we are left with nothing but the federal rational basis test. winning a federal rational basis test is the most difficult thing to do in constitutional law. as i pointed out earlier for , about half a century, it never happened, you would never win one of those challenges and , people thought it could not be done. but we have been winning them, but it is still extremely di

alabama,nstance, in alabama said you have to have a government-issued photo id. so, your bank card is not going to work. government-issued id. then they decided what type of government-issued photo id. they decided that -- they decided that public housing id did not count as a government-issued id, but does it get more public -- but as give more government-issued then public housing? housingthose in public are african-americans, and for most of those, it is the only id they have. this has, with for alabama to carve out that electorate. then what alabama did was they shut down the department of motor vehicles. for fiscal reasons to be physically-responsible, shut down the department of motor vehicles down in the black belt counties, requiring then people who don't have a drivers license and don't drive to go to the next county or 50 miles away, in order to get a drivers license. so that they could be able to vote. that is how it works. that is how it works in texas, in georgia, in north carolina, in alabama. so, the voter id sounds reasonable, except it is not. he

and the riots from mobile alabama that outlines for at least one week as shipyard at the height of the war providing material to the men who are fighting the war and the ability to do that was compromised because they were fighting about race because the workers got to pay on - - work with the highest paying jobs. but then to make us work against ourselves. >> described george and gordy. >> i don't think he gets too worried that he is in the navy george is never really seen him but in a lot of ways it is a blind spot. but then gordy died saving his life because then he realized they are from the same hometown and i never saw him but yet he had more courage than i do and more resources and he saved my life. >> how did that change them? that he could see that geordie will not burn across on your line. but they are thinking of the next war because that's the way it is done. and i don't think he realized it before he died saving him it was an awakening with that moment what is the secret or your technique for writing political fiction quex. >> historical fiction is a small detail. so for m

home in alabama are with this fisher race with the governor having him conniption stripping with the words up into position another fictitious one day right hand in alabama the little black boy was in fact won't be able to join hands and i'm afraid gordon right at the drop is not free. everything is i have a dream. i have a dream i have a dream and and to me the greatest lines from that speech that should be embedded into the minds of especially of young black folks is the full fathers of this country gave us a promise every note and we have come here today to cash that check that to be that's bothered me and in terms of an image created in the my that was a powerful statement. totally even though. we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is backed. by we refuse to believe that out i an official from the great oh of opportunity of this nation so we come to cashiers check check that we'll give up the pun demand the riches of freedom and the security of stuff. from uncle max the march on washington was an event to be rejected in a famous speech he attacked what he calls the farce

martin luther king underwent his political baptism in alabama one of the most racist states in the south where many whites continue to behave as if slavery had not been abolished a century before. in montgomery king organize a campaign to boycott the buses it was the start of a major struggle against laws that kept whites and blacks apart in public areas and the denied blacks their right to vote. for a right because we have a duty to. call when you said above and you. were pretty bad because you have a duty to sit down and merely because you have a right you have a duty to step back because the language is good and bad you have a bow. and 6 if you let the right man get into your back. about. him was workin to take down some. that prevented black people from ride in buses where they wanted to and to ride and train public transportation prevented them from voted in and all of those things that black people were prevented from doing and the style but not in the know not blacks of our ways could vote but as malcolm said you may have the vote but you end up voting for nothing because they've

host: audrey in alabama, independent, you are next for the congressman. caller: good morning greta and .ongressman burgess lately.struggle here v.a.n is entitled to champ paperwork, they were 4 months behind and he had a break in insurance, they maynded his coverage to 2020. if he does not go to college, he is not entitled to champ v.a. anymore. i think you let our group slipped through the cracked because you let middle-class families that have a job and get it through their employer -- my son is an exception to that end we have checked with the college -- fallything and semester, he will not have insurance and blue cross, blue shield of alabama, they are a monopoly and that is the only choice we have. i have called, it is $8,600 a deductible $5,000 for the best plan they carry. if you could look into this and maybe you could do something, a little fix for this, i don't know if you have handed authorization to v.a. -- host: i will have the congressmen respond. guest: that is a valid point you brought up because everyone -- an oversight and the writing of

then the story became alabama. >> the alabama saga began september 1st when the president tweetded th twee tweeted that along with other states hurricane was headed there. >> alabama will get a piece of it. >> if you go back through all the forecasting, alabama had a miniscule chance, close to zero chance of any significant weather. >> alabama residents panicked by trump's tweet inundated birmingham national weather service. >> they decided we'll put out a quick statement to warn people that this rumor is not true. not realizing that the president of the united states had caused rumor in the first place. >> that was the original chart. >> even after national weather service officials tweeted the correction, president trump persisted. >> going towards the gulf. that what was originally projected. >> giving an oval office hurricane update with obsolete weather map. >> somebody possibly the president, i don't know, somebody in the white house took a black magic walker and into the alabama. the infamous sharpie. and it could have decide there. probably would have. >> mr. president. >> yet

in alabama, recovery crews still searching through debris. >> we don't want anybody unaccounted for. >> reporter: tonight, investigators tell me you could take three, even four days befor they can pull these boats from the water to get a closer look at the fire's potential cause. lester >> morgan chesky in alabama, thank you. >>> up next, what auschwitz survivors told us 75 years after being set free . so, when my wife kat and i . learned california public school children couldn't get fresh produce in the cafeteria, we took action. we partnered with local farmers, school kitchens, a non-profit. that program now serves over 300 million healthy meals every year. the difference between words and actions matters. that's a lesson washington dc could use, right now. i'm tom steyer and i approve this message. >>> we're back with a solemn commentation today. 75 years since the liberation of au auschwitz. a simple and powerful message, never forget. bill neely is there. >> reporter: at the auschwitz death camp where nazis murdered more than 1 million people, mostly jews, survivors returned to

in alabama, recovery crews still searching through debris. >> we don't want anybody unaccounted for. >> reporter: tonight, investigators tell me they could take three, even four days befor they can pull these boats from theer >> morgan chesky in alabama, thank you. >>> up next, what auschwitz survivors told us 75 years after being set free >>> we're back with a solemn commemoration today. 75 years since the liberation of auschwitz. survivors gathering in poland with a simple but powerful message never forget bill neely is there. >> reporter: at the auschwitz death camp where nazis murdered more than 1 million people, mostly jews, survivors returned today. their pain still raw >> i'm upset you probably can feel that >> reporter: many afraid of new attacks on jews in the u.s. and europe. >> do not let this ever happen again to any people. >> reporter: where prisoners were shot they shed tears. some returning for the first time with photographs of their liberation and that's you >> that's me. >> reporter: david langer from california lost most of his family >> i remember the hangings i

in fact here in alabama we actually lost a case at the alabama supreme court where we challenged a teeth whitening license. that was really a case where we were arguing that the precedent was different than the federal precedent. unfortunately, the alabama supreme court disagreed and we lost that one. but overall we tend to win these cases more often than we lose and win them under the federal rational basis test. so i've won quite a few of them. maybe some day we'll win one in alabama as well. so those are the first two types of challenges we bring. but then of course sometimes there's no reason to think that a state constitution will provide any more protection than the federal constitution, at least when we look at the precedent. other times it's clear there's not going to be any way that we can get the case into the first amendment or another part of the federal constitution that the supreme court still cares about so we're left with nothing but the federal rational basis test. winning a federal rational basis test is the most difficult thing to do in constitutional law. as i pointed

and tough conditions in tuscaloosa alabama on the left, and the shores of lake michigan in chicago onhe right of your screen. cnn's natasha chen is here with me and what do we know about the circumstance, eight deaths now? >> it is very tragic. we're talking about icy road conditions like you said in texas, and then in louisiana, we know that people have died when trees fell on their home, and we're still learning the circumstances of three deaths in alabama. so let's talk about texas first. this is very tragic. the lubbock fire chief, actually said that the road conditions really needed to be respected by drivers that he says, if people would respect the road conditions, this never would have happened. the firefighter and the police officer were killed as they were working two different car wrecks. and they first responded to one single car accident. while they were there, a second car crossed the median, and then as they working those two scenes, a third vehicle crossed over and hit them. another firefighter is in critical condition, being treated from that. over in louisiana, we kn

i don't see how he gets far in alabama just growing up near alabama, knowing that state but he said in for a penny, in for a dollar. he filed in all states. he's only going to work in a few of them. >> host: what is he worth and what is the estimate of what he will have to spend to be competitive? >> guest: his latest was 53 billion. he is giving a lot of it away. he will have given away 10 billion by the end of this year. how much is he going to spend? if he's with $53 billion he could spend $3 billion and it wouldn't even hurt. he will spend $100 million on digital land against trump, 20 million for voting rights and to help to be registered in his own campaign, $30 million running tomorrow morning. >> host: chances are they know each other. what is the relationship? >> guest: they are not close. >> host: how has it been? >> guest: when i brought this up one time and they were at golf tournaments and things like that. they went to these events, charity events, they were not friends. when you had that speech in 2016 at the democratic convention he called trump a con man, he wants to r

of course mississippi, alabama, louisiana, think of them on the map, the three of the new territory and states rising up along the gulf of mexico, along the gulf coast. and the american settlers swarming into territories and states like those three, needed and demanded, they said, a nearly bottomless supply of forced labor to cut sugar cane and to pick cotton. and it seemed they would take almost anyone to do that work, including children as young as ten-year-old cornelius sinclair. planters in the deep south may not have liked buying a small proportion, mack five percent, of their enslaved labor force from kidnappers, but to be honest, they had few other options. they'd been forced to look for sources within the united states to satisfy their labor needs ever since 1808, the year that lawmakers in washington had passed legislation that outlawed any further slave imports from overseas, from africa, from the caribbean or whenever it might be and that 1808 decision outlawing further legal participation in atlantic slavery proved to be a major turning point in the history of slavery in ame

so stewart sends a second regiment to help out, and that is the 10th alabama. they attack. they will suffer some of the highest casualties of the day. kind of an idea going on here, they run into the series of pennsylvanians, and the pennsylvanian writes, we want all to fire, and it is instantly thrown into confusion, and another fire retreated to the woods from which they had just advanced, and in the 10th alabama attacked out of the pines and into the clearing, and so as they were attacking into the clearing, they are lit up like a christmas tree. it is horrendous casualties. on the left, as the lieutenant colonel, and a man named james b. martin who is a judge from alabama has a leave of absence from the army to attend the court. he didn't want to miss the action with the regiment, and he stays with them, and shot twice in the chest and killed them instantly, and on the right, colonel john forny gets the arm shattered and he goes down. so within a matter of minutes they are losing their colonel, and assistant colonel, and then alabama retreats in wild confusion. in the s

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the federalist society's montgomery, alabama chapter hosted this event. dr. mendenhall: good morning. good morning. welcome to the montgomery chapter of the federalist society. the federalist society is hounded on the principles the state exist to preserve freedom, that the separation of governmental powers is central to our constitution and that is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to tell what the law is, not what it should be. the society seeks to promote an awareness of the principles and to further their application through activities. now, you may notice i have an adam smith tie on today, and that is not because we have an

fire rips through a dock in alabama, torching dozens of boats overnight. at least eight dead, more may be missing. what sparked the blaze? spreading without symptoms. at least five confirmed cases of that mysterious coronavirus now in the u.s. the frantic race to evacuate americans from the epicenter of the outbreak in china. and the new warning: is it being spread by people who don't even know they're sick? 75 years later, remembering the liberation of auschwitz with those who survived. strength in numbers, good samaritans show the power of teamwork. it's the amazing rescue you won't believe. and what he left behind. kobe bryant's legacy on doing your best and working hard. life lessons in his own words. this is the "cbs evening news" with norah o'donnell reporting from the nation's capital. >> o'donnell: good evening. thank you so much for joining us. we're going to begin with the death of basketball legend kobe bryant. tonight investigators from the f.b.i. and n.t.s.b. are scouring a hillside outside los angeles where the helicopter carrying bryant, his

we will talk now to democratic senator doug jones of alabama and he is a juror in the impeachment trial you for joining us. >> my pleasure, brianna. thank you. >> what do you think in the defense memo submitted by president trump's legal team that they insist that the president did not commit a crime and he was right to ask you crane to look into the bidens and burisma? >> well, i have not read that in full detail. i have been studying the house manager's report and i will start looking at the president's filed today. i don't think that he has a right to simply look into something that is to withhold congressionally approved aid. we have to look at all of the facts here, and see. i think that right now what we need to hear is the legal arguments from both sides and look at the facts and see how this picture turns out. i think that right now, you are just seeing that both sides are being advocates and we'll have to see how it shakes out. >> would you support a rules package to allow the witnesses, but only later in the process and not the beginning which is what the democrats say they wa

when it in alabama. and i had a friend across the street named dickie mcgrew who was a year older than i was in considerably different. he was also a bully and kept kinda pushing me around. my dad was out working in the yard one day and he saw all of that. any incident before. he called me over. he said, son i have been watching the way he has been pushing you around and i want you to go over there and beat him up. and i said dad is over and bigger than i am. and he said i'm older than he is a bigger than he is. so given this choice, i chose dickie. i went across the street and started swinging. and beat them up. it was an incredible lesson. in standing up to bullies. i thought about that throughout my life. at critical moments when people are trying to push you around. lamar alexander: see of a chapter standing your ground. let's jump ahead to kentucky, the university of louisville. people looking at cspan2 might wonder what people or senators are talking about on the floor. the odds are you're talking

i was about seven and we lived in alabama. i had a friend across the street, dickey mcgroove who was older than me and pushing me around. my dad was out working in the yard one day and he saw that again. he ha had seen it before. me over and he said sun, i've been watching the way that he's pushing you around. i want you to go over there and beat him up. i said he's older and bigger than i am. he said i am older and bigger than he is. so, given this with some would call a hostage choice, i went across the street and started swinging and beat him up. it was an incredible lesson in standing up to bullies. i thought about that throughout my life at critical moments when people are trying to push you around. >> host: so you had a chapter, standing your a ground. it's jump ahead to kentucky, the university of louisville. evil looking at c-span might wonder whether the senators talk about when they are on the floor. they are watching you and the odds are you are talking about the louisville sports. before i get to that though, your

unas 11 personas han muerto en alabama, luisiana, texas y oklahoma.el sÁbado. tres personas murieron en en ohio, tornado se formaron en the troy, causando daÑos en los techos de algunos edificios. en arkansas, residentes estÁn con las inundaciones. resulta cientos voltearon camiones en algunas carteras. en georgia, casas y comercios quedaron sin electricidad. >> mi esposa llegÓ, pasó al cuarto. cuando venÍa corriendo hacia mí me dice, ese Árbol se cayÓ. galo: una nueva tormenta traerÁ mÁs nieve a esta parte del paÍs a partir del miÉrcoles. mÁs tiempo atravesara la llanura llevando y elo y nieve al estrena naciÓn entre jueves y sÁbado. >> despuÉs la cosa se vuelve a activar, la lluvia regresa a texas, la niebla a california vialesdado de --y al estado de washington. galo: se pronostica una acumulaciÓn de lluvia de hasta 3 pulgadas en el sur del paÍs, y de hasta 7 pulgadas de nieve en el norte. en las montaÑas rocosas podrÍa caer hasta un pie de nieve. patricia: vamos a mÉxico. temor y conmociÓn marcaron el regreso a clases de los alumnos de la escuela

[applause] david: she was from alabama? marillyn: she taught us-- she was from alabama. but she taught us the value of a dollar. we had to learn how to economize at aery young age. she'd send us in to pay the power bill, the electric bill. she just got her kids out and said, "you've got to learn how to do these things because you've got to be"-- it tseght me to be very -reliant, i would say. david: well, i was told that she used to say to you, "go to the g $cery store. here5.00. and bring back $7 of groceries." llyn: yes. that's true. that's very true. learn w to economize. so i learned early how to economize, yes. david: ok. so you went to the university of alabama. and did you get a scholarship? you didn't have to work? ma: oh, no, i didn't have a scholarship. i worked nights. i worked what was called the graveyard shift, so to speak, from 11:00 at night to 7:00 in the morning, then i went to class from 8:00 to 1:00 or 2:00, and then i'd sleep, unless i had a date, and then i would go right back to work without sleeping because you can do that when you're 18 years old

rubenstein: you grew up initially in birmingham, alabama, in a segregated south, birmingham, alabama, church bombing. did you ever think that from a segregated-south beginning sethat you would ever p to hold these kind of positions that you held? rice: never occurred to me but more because i thought i was gonna rise up and be a great concert pianist. no. my parents were people who had me convinced that, even if i couldn't have a hamburger of the united states if i wanted to be, so in my family, you were going to achieve. you were going to go to college. david, i'm notthe first phd in my family. rubenstein:ur father ha. rice; my father and my aunt theresa, my father's sister, and i always say, nd you think what i do is of, she wrote books on dickens, of all things. rubenstein: so you were an only child? rice: i was an only child. focused a lot on you... rice: yeah, definitely. rubenstein: and you had all the lessons that youan have. you were a ballerina. rice: every lesson known to humankind, some of which i was good at and some owhich i wasn't, but they kept me going. i had french les