i'd remind you back in february, we know that the alabama the alabama supreme court then had made a ruling that at embryos and life began or excuse me, life began at when they are embryos, when children are embryos, that was the ruling that the alabama supreme court i did that had led a lot of hospitals and clinics and so on to pause ivf treatments, donald trump came out quickly on that saying, we are the party of ivf i support ivf and a lot of republican officials followed suit. this is something i can tell you, dana, that donald trump consistently brags about when he's asked about women voters, about why he doesn't think that he is doing so well with them. this is one of the issues that he points to. i think that's why he really tried to focus on this last night. i mean this came up because he was told harris faulkner told him that one of the questions from the audience was about this issue. and he said, i love ivf. i'm the father of ivf. again, a bizarre statement to make. i would also note that of course, one of the reasons that this is even a question right now question of access to i

you well know, you have covered ivf, which is also been in the spotlight the cycle after the alabama supreme courtaid frozen embryos should be considered children. where did the candidates stand on this? reporter: vice president harris backs a senate bill that protects people with access to in vitro fertilization nationwide. her most prominent surrogate on this has been her running mate, governor tim walz of minnesota, because he and his wife used fertility treatments when they were trying to have their first child. the alabama court decision for republicans on the fence. -- defense. trump says if elected he would offer full coverage. he would require insurance companies to pay for it. but he is not provided details on how exactly he would pay for a lot of that. senate republicans have blocked a bill that would protect ivf nationwide. anchor: vice president harris is clearly running on this is a big issue. how important is this issue? >> six states consider abortion on the ballot. all six states, including red states like kansas and kentucky, decided to protect abortion rights. this year, abortion

has also been in the spotlight especially after that alabama supreme court decision that said frozenhould be considered chirp. where do the candidates stand on i.v.? >> vice president harris back as bill that protects i.v. nationwide. and her most prominent surrogate has been her running mate governor tim walz of minnesota because he and his wife used fertility treatments when they were trying to have their first child. now as for trump that alabama court decision put republicans on the defense, amna. and trump has said he opposes efforts to limit i.v.f., that if elected he would provide full coverage of i.v.f. protections and cover full services by acquiring insurance companies to pay for it. but he hasn't provide details on how exactly he would pay for a lot of. that and senate republicans twice, amna have blocked that senate bill that we talked about that would protect i.v.f. nationwide. >> vice president harris is running on this as a big issue. former president trump has been asked about it. how important is this issue? >> in the last two years, six states considered abortion on

support for ivf care, he said that he was unfamiliar with ivf until earlier this year when the alabama supreme court came down with its ruling and that's when he got a phone call from a republican senator from alabama who he asked to explain to him what ivf was. he said after two minutes of that conversation, he knew he was in support of it. so on one hand, donald trump is trying to appeal to a broader sub sect of women but in realtime, acknowledging that he has a lack of understanding about a very serious form of care that a great many women across the united states have used in their way of trying to build and extend their own families. >> thank you for that. and so i want to play a part of what the former president said about ivf and then really just a short time ago, kamala harris' response. >> and ivf, you had mentioned before -- >> let's skip this question because i believe this is -- >> oh, i want to talk about ivf. i'm the father of it. i'm the father of ivf. and i said explain ivf very quickly. and within about two minutes, i understood it. i said, no, no, we're totally in favor of ivf. i c

you'll, a lot of people talk about the alabama supreme court decision, but they don't talk about the context around that. if vice president harris let's talk about context. but the context of that decision is rarely discussed this case was brought by three couples who are undergoing ivf treatments and the medical clinic and their provider disregarded their rights to protect their embryos and her future children. their embryos discarded because of their medical providers lacks provisions. and now they were suing for redress of grievances. and that is how this entire case came about. it was about protecting the rights of couples seeking ivf and making sure that they were protected maria, what do you think i think that's laughable. i think it's laughable that donald trump said he was the father of ivf. when in fact he put in place the string of events that led to ivf being in jeopardy and led to so many families being an in limbo and not even are wondering whether their ivf it's processes. we're going to move forward. it was heartbreaking for those families and that is all thanks to don

issue for the party overall, especially given i mean, remember back in february, when the alabama supreme court had ruled essentially that frozen embryos are children that had led to many hospitals and clinics in the state to pausing access to ivf and ivf treatments. >> donald trump quickly came out and said that he supports ivf and that he thinks people should continue to be able to have access to it. so that is what i was told he was referring to last night. but as you said, and i think we have to be very clear on this. so reason that this is even a topic of discussion right now about questions since over whether women can access those statements is because of the dobbs decision and because donald trump had put a conservative supreme court justices on the bench, but to get to the other part of other parts of what he said during that town hall. i think another very striking moment was when he was asked directly about what he meant when he said over the weekend and that the greatest threat to the united states is not our foreign adversaries, but the enemy from within. i want you to take a liste

and they pointed back to in february that alabama supreme court ruling, where essentially they had ruled that frozen embryos are children and then that led many the hospitals and clinics to pausing ivf treatments. donald trump came out on that and said, i support ivf. the party should support ivf and really since then i can tell you from my conversations with people close to the former president that this is something he brings up a lot particularly when people asked him why do you not think? that you're doing why aren't you doing well with women voters? remember that was what this townhall was all about him trying to narrow that gender gap with harris and he often argues, he's not sure he thinks they don't like his rhetoric, but that he should, they should like him on the issues. and this is one of the issues that he often talks about. so i think that's where a lot of this was coming from, despite it being a bit of an odd answer yeah, he clearly believes it will help him. >> alayna treene. thank you so much we want to drill down now on the question of the gender gap by starting with a l

hold on because the reason this is an issue is because of what happened in alabama where the alabama supreme court decided that embryos are people, and therefore, a lot of ivf clinic shut down because they don't want to be prosecuted or have the law come after them. and that's really what became the issues or when we hear from people arguing that there's no republicans who believe that there are republicans who think rios or people that is true. >> there are some evangelicals who have that disposition. i wouldn't challenge them on that because that is based upon their religious beliefs. however, i am of the mindset in a modern society, you're going to have to adapt some what that doesn't mean you necessarily change the concreteness of your ideals, but it does mean you have to be nimble in terms of where says so it is going to get if we're going to say we want to conserve family, that means be more open minded to allowing people to start families and different ways. and so again, i think trump politically or not, whether he believes that or not as a conservative, i think is a smart thing to do when

[cheers and applause] earlier this year, my husband and i watched in horror as the alabama supreme courthat put ivf in danger in the state. my heart goes out to those families, because i know what they are going through. and now i am going through it myself. especially because donald trump, gop policies, and reluctance to protect ivf is going to put it at risk for families in 50 states, and that is not something we will allowed to happen. [applause] texas, tonight we can turn the page, and we can continue to make our voices heard. vice president harris is a fighter, and she will work tirelessly to work -- to protect our families and our futures, so for the next 11 days it is our turn to show up for her. knock on doors, speak to every family member out there. i the awkward conversation and leave it all in the field, because our lives and our futures depend on it. i trust women to make decisions over their own bodies, and i trust texas women to tell men like ted cruz, jd vance -- jd vance, and donald trump that they are done. they turn is over. [cheers and applause] this november, we will

i mean, in alabama, the same state, is where we saw ivf become temporarily halted in the state after the supreme -- alabama supreme courtt unborn children were quote, unquote, babies, children, and had legal rights as such. i think, you know, there is a real ripple effect. also, one of the things that was really important that i think michelle obama said the other night is the ripple effect on other forms of women's health care is real. doctors are not going to be able to go practice medicine and not want to practice medicine -- >> health care deserts. >> -- yeah, in the states. but there is a chill on even speaking an annual, true diagnosis to one of your patients. >> well said. you know, this is exactly -- and you're really crystallizing the message michelle obama was trying to make to men and women, including men who love them, because it's not just women who are pregnant and in a certain age category making a certain decision. it's not a decision when you're dying or your baby is definitely going to die and if you don't get the lifesaving health care for yourself you will be sterilized or die. but these treatments,

to abortion and ivf treatment part alabama riesling sparked a national debate on after an alabama supreme court states with various bands on abortion. including 13 total bands. so shomari do you think there should be exceptions or allowances for abortions in alabama such as situations as rape and incest? and a context for our viewers there's not such exceptions currently available in alabama. >> i don't believe it's a government's role to tell a woman what she should and should not do with their own body. that the decision she should be able to make with herself and with her doctors. with whoever she decides to seek guidance and counsel from prints out the role the government to get involved in that decision-making. and i think what's worse is what we have seen. these attacks on women's reproductive rights. that leads to outcomes with idf such a basic fundamental medical procedure she has no questions about for decades literally comes under question because of the result of the strict laws passed. not just now but other states as well. it's also no coincidence the states that have the strictest

the supreme court of alabama, the majority opinion was a snow judge. i think it was a civil suit. anyway, what is ivf? give it to me, two minutes. we love it, i'm the father. i think that's going to work. but what do i know? >> the father of ivf. it's like rip to don jr. and eric i guess. let's not forget when trump referred to himself as a leader on fertilization, which is just an unfortunate choice of words. i was thinking about this earlier. who else can only walk into rooms where every single person in that room is guaranteed to agree with you, and i challenge you, love you, clap for you, cheer for you? only coleaders or want to be called leaders. that is just crazy that we are continuing to watch them try to sell some sort of moderated posture on abortion and reproductive rights to an audience full of women who are like him and probably don't even care what he has to say or what the left says about him. >> stuart stevens and alexi, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >>> coming up, stop me if you've heard this before. with just 20 days until election day rachel joins me w

. >> the facts wrong, it is the supreme court of alabama, they'd enroll it is all legal, it was a civil suit. what is ivf, give it to me, no we love it i am the father of it, i don't think it's going to work but what do i know. >> the father of ivf is like r.i.p. i guess. >> it is just an unfortunate choice of words but i was thinking about this earlier, who else can only walk into rooms where everything a person in that room is guaranteed to agree with you, not challenge you, love you, cloud free, only coleaders or want to be called leaders and that is just crazy that we are continuing to watch them try to sell some sort of moderated posture on abortion and reproductive rights to an audience of women who already like him and don't care what he has to say. >> was just 20 days until election day, rachel jointly with brandon reporting on donald trump's latest meeting new, meaning current attempts to once again pay off an adult film actress? but first, the push to tighten the margins of a race that is essentially tied. (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i ta

next, a debate for alabama second congressional district seat, the republican democratic nominee. the 2023 supreme courtision is which found alabama's the legislature discriminated against black voters real portioning house district following the 2020 census. one hour and 20 minute debate hosted by the chamber of commerce and w fsa tv in montgomery. >> thank you, good morning. a privilege to be with you all today. caroline dobson and i'm running to represent second congressional district. i grew up in alabama and now live here in montgomery where i practice real state law and served on the commission. i am proud to be raising my girls and south alabama. make gas and groceries affordable. i'm running so your kids can die in your neighborhood without you worrying about whether they get home say they are not. over the course of this campaign i've been committed to this district to listen to you. too each and every one of you shared your time with me, your story, your will and your peers, i'm running to fight for you and all alabama families. washington d.c. insider. he owns 1 million of the half-dollar hou

a judge blocked alabama's plan. the supreme courttion. so anyone blocked or booted from the rolls can still reregister on election day and vote via provisional ballot. >> that's certainly a good point there. jen, let's talk about hallie's package there. pennsylvania, the most important state on the map, one that the harris team is quietly feeling pretty good about in recent days. perhaps as a tell to donald trump felt about it, he took to truth social and said there's widespread voter fraud in pennsylvania. talk to us about where you see the state of the race in that state, but also what these threats could do. >> everybody wants pennsylvania. let's state the obvious. huge number of electoral votes. it's on the east coast, so people will be watching it closely. it is also the state as we remember from four years ago was kind of the final decider. it's incredibly close. for the harris campaign and democrats you're making sure you get out the vote in philadelphia and the philadelphia suburbs and you can expand it as far as possible int

what i do know is that weekend when that supreme court justice in the state of alabama came out withal personhood and starting a pathway to really undo our rights even further, you know, there were families that were waiting for embryo transfers. you know, there were families that could not get those embryos out of state because the whole apparatus around the ivf structure got nervous because of the danger of these abortion bans and then the freedom that these judges who are propagating ideology well beyond ending abortion were starting to entail. so we know what is at stake in this election. we know that, you know, trump's abortion bans have put in jeopardy contraception and ivf. they have literally led to the deaths of people like amber thurman and candy miller. and we know they will go further, right? we know what is in project 2025, the pregnancy trackers czar, the surveillance. all the things we need to be deeply alarmed at and he is spouting this off as if he is some, i don't know, guru of ivf when we all know the reality is he is so far behind with women that he knows this is

that particular issue, especially when you look back at some of the idf rulings or supreme court rulings like an alabamafebruary that did impact access to ivf df, and donald trump had quickly come out and said, i support this and other republican officials followed suit. it is something i know that he brags about often in private conversations and he thinks it's one issue where he can really help narrow that gender gap and try to make inroads with female voters. but i do want to turn your attention to another very notable moment from that town hall, which was when he tried to clarify his comments, when he said that the greatest threat to united states is the enemy of the people. take a listen, or the enemy from within it is the enemy from within, and they are very dangerous. we have china, we have a russia, we have all these countries if you ever smart president, that they can all be handled, the more difficult or pelosi's, these people, there's so sick and so evil okay so and excuse me, i meant to save the enemy from within. i think the big thing here is that a lot of republican allies, people on the t

virginia has gone to the united states supreme court and they the supreme court said look, give us a reason why we shouldn't purge these people? meanwhile alabamaes have illegals self-identified illegals convicted felons and they are saying look, you are canceling out the vote of americans who have legal votes over burdening the system what we can do is you can explain that you are a citizen and deserve to vote. i mean, there is a way to do, this don't just shut down and let all the illegals vote, it's a message, come on, in all of you and vote. >> steve: here's the thing, jessica, we don't know if they are non-citizens or not. >> right. >> steve: they haven't been verified. if they are non-citizens, they shouldn't vote. >> jessica: absolutely if they are non-citizens. but the problem is that you have a pot of 1600 people where they at least some articles i have read seen evidence that at least a few hundred of them actually are u.s. citizens. >> steve: and they did something wrong? >> jessica: that's the problem. that's the balancing act that they are having to face. that's what is going on in pennsylvania as well all over the country. the goo

courts. federal judges in both alabama and virginia halted republican programs that made thousands of legal voters inactive. this week, the georgia supremert unanimously denied the party's attempt to reinstate what the court called, quote, unconstitutional, illegal, and void state election rules that included a reasonable inquiry requirement before certifying election results. joining me now, the former united states attorney general eric holder, chairman of the national democratic redistricting committee. general holder, as always, thank you for coming to "the saturday show." let's talk about the victories that have been achieved against the republican efforts in the courts. why are these, why is these republican lawsuits losing good news for democracy? >> well, because there's no basis to the lawsuits that they are bringing. they're simply trying to make it more difficult for those people who they think might not support them. making it more difficult for them to vote. the arguments they're making are experience. they're being thrown out by the courts in the same way they made the experience arguments after the 2020 election. all of wh

court agreed to put them back on the rolls. doj filed a similar lawsuit in alabama. this story will develop as the next several hours. we're one week out from the election. the supreme court needs to signal something soon. >> bill: the governor is adamant. he is adamant they filled out the forms and said they were none citizens. pull out the paperwork. d.o.j. we'll see what comes next. >> it's the kinds of things that has taken on its own life on that and it's like something very special exists there and it doesn't mean that i admire it. it is real. >> dana: democratic senator john fetterman remarking on what he calls the astonishing support people in pennsylvania are showing for president trump. >> bill: the polls now are neck-and-neck. what the vice president is saying about how she sees the state of the race eight days out. >> the polling has you and donald trump essentially tied. do you believe those numbers? >> you know, listen, it's a presidential race and it should be close. i will tell you in all honesty i'm seeing a lot of enthusiasm around our campaign. if you have generalized myasthenia gravis, picture what life could look like with... vyvgart hytrulo, a

and i'm grateful for the state legislature for acting quickly in the wake of the supreme court decision here in alabama to ensure access to ivf. and even in those ensuing weeks between supreme court decision here and action by the state legislature there were countless women who were in the process of ivf, which is, it's a very emotional taxing and extensive experience that that were forced to wait or delay the process of trying to bring life into this earth. i think we have to fight for, i don't think. i know and i feel i do believe and i will firmly fight for ivf access across this country. and the fact that the bill brought by senator britt was defeated by democrats just shows you that they're willing to sacrifice ivf on the altar of increasing the partisan polarization in our country. we've had enough of that. we need more folks who are just like you and me working moms who understand that we need results on this issue in so many others and we don't need more artisan bickering. >> shomari. >> i think what happened in the state of alabama with ivf was unfortunate. it was sad. cost a fair number of f

but the supreme court in the civil rights cases of 1883 declared it unconscious, attitudinal, the 15th amendment, you know, provided voting rights for all americans. but when alabama passed a constitution that grandfathered in all of the confederates and their descendants, but otherwise left everybody, principally black people, but also a lot of poor whites as well, subject to the whims of of poll takers who could decide if they were people of ill repute and reject them from the polls when. 5000 black men who had all voted and all paid all the poll taxes passed, the literacy tests, everything went broke. d washington arrange them and brought them towards freedom court. the supreme court said this is a political question. we can't do anything about this in this case of plessy v ferguson, supreme court endorsed the architecture of segregation on the economic side, congress steps up. they passed the sherman antitrust act. but initially, the supreme court declares it unconstitutional. state legislatures slip it step in with minimum wage laws and health and safety laws for workers. supreme court says any law that's based to based around the idea of of improving labor r

specifically in the house even when you look at alabama and how they flipped, that state rep see after the ivf decision came out from that supreme court. and so i think that what we will see is an overperformance. i think there are a lot of people that are not being counted in the abortion fight. we know that dobbs has been something that is animated people all over the country and even when you talk about the fact that she's going to be in texas regardless of the fact that she's going to be in texas, guess what? we're talking about it right now. this is something that is going to be widely covered throughout the country. and so i think that it is going to bring it all home for people to understand the number one, this is going to be president that isn't just looking out for those in the states that voted her in, but she's going to be a president for the entire united states and so showing up in texas, cared about texas women is the message that she's going to send, even if you're in one of these deep red states, she wants to make sure that she is going to be a president for everyone. think we'll state. and i think that that matters.

supreme court that we've got and they are going to look at these issues. melissa, the case about gender affirming care has resident -- residence beyond health care. states like alabamae for instance. give us a sense of the impact on rights broadly of gender affirming care. >> let's say at the outset, it this is -- like the casey mentioned evolving gender affirming care for minors on the docket and we have just gotten started. this time last year, the court hadn't taken the challenge to the abortion across state lines, he hadn't taken the -- trump disqualification case or immunity case on the docket. so all of this can turn on a dime and this can be even more consequential a term then we are anticipating. but this case, the united dates versus -- out of tennessee, is hugely important because the court granted equal protection issue involving sex-based disc termination. the argument is that these laws prohibit gender affirming care to minors discriminate on the basis of sex. this is the super majority first case that would allow it to take on the equal protection clause in the cost next -- context of sex-based disc donation. justice ginsburg who -- letter view of the

alabama. a former factory manager sued goodyear tire back in 1999 after she was tipped off that she was earning less than her male counterparts. while she initially won the lawsuit, goodyear appealed to the supreme courtomplaint too late after learning of the pay disparity. but her fight for pay equity led to the passage of the lilly led better fair pay act in 2009, becoming the first mer you're signed into law for president barack obama. i was at that signing in the east room. it was amazing. and her fight and that act was a huge part of the inspiration for the know your value platform where equal pay is a huge thing that we still talk about today because there is still so much work to do. so we're grateful for the work of lilly ledbetter. still ahead, back to politics with a look at the latest polling in the presidential race. also ahead, a conversation about the consequences of lying and why republicans do it more. the founder of the fact-checking site politifact is here to explain. "morning joe" is back in two minutes. and boy, am i running. but i've got lead in my foot and spirit in my fingers. [cheering] [car rev] ha, ha, what a hit! and if you don't have the right auto insurance coverage, the c

ivf has emerged as a hot topic in the election after the alabama supreme court ruled the destructionfrozen embryos amounts to murder, classifying them as children . and finally, them as children. and finally, prince william has called for a movement that creates systematic to change end homelessness in the uk. the prince of wales was speaking at tonight's centrepoint awards , a charity of centrepoint awards, a charity of which he is patron. it comes after he defended his work trying to tackle homelessness despite his own privileged royal life. in a new itv documentary, the prince of wales is quizzed about critics who might question whether he's the right person to lead the project, which is designed to eradicate homelessness in six locations around the uk. what was wrong with the first one.7 >> with the first one? >> there will be some people who might question whether you're the right person to lead this project and its efforts to end homelessness. how would you respond to that? >> i think everyone having a right to a safe and stable home benefits us all. i come with no other agenda