iraqnd perhaps more tolerant and ao i think there's a feeling tt because afghanistan agait taliban and alaeda that this is the good war, the right war si think that there's also thatol ransor that at least for a while. move onto the issue of human right the murder of nattia -- she was a sunch reporter of human rights. she had supporters in chechnya. says a deep nvestigation. th they will find somebody he. ar we real supposed to believe russia when they say this. >> no >> anythi more that you wish to add? >> no it's horible. it's horrible. it's horrible for vestigators, it's horriblfor journalists. 's just a terrie, terrible thng and you know this vernment in ruia, they're just n knockg off journalis and human rigs right a left. >>so what should the obama administration d >> it's very interting because the "times" had an editorial on it this morning. >> gideonyou're roing. >> the fac that it's a tragedy. a lot ohuman rights abowese inchechnya,ave been for many years of course and not much thathe united states can or frankly in my opinn should rt do on an actual policy vel. the differce between

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. >> rose: if meone in europe and the intelligence arena, a high-staing, would discover an alaeda or some other terrorist groups effort ongoing pla with perhaps connectionin the united states to ecute the plan and they wanted tolert the uned stes govement, woulthe call go to you? >> itight. could go to several places. the key thing i that the person who ge the call, do they understand who else ey need to call immedialy. >> rose: oka answer that question. do you think they clearly do and wasn't thapart of the problem fore 9/11? >> yes. it wasart of the problem and, yes, the's been great ogress ere. it's what weall the connecting the dotsssue. the dots we there but nobody knew how to connect the dots. i think we're much bter at that now and the iormation sharing environment isuch stronger thait was then. but wean't slide bac into the old ways. those old silos d't match the that environment that we exist in now so it's my responsibity, it's thdirector of c.i.a.'s reonsibility, it's if dector the f.b.i.'s responsibili to maksure that we don'tust lk about that sharing in washington, d.c.

th're focusing yemen, about to fl apart at the seams and where alaeda is movg in.i on omia, also a place al qaeda is moving to. i think they're a little bit ead of the game. >> anoth intelligence issu in the news. the procd proposed form of preventive detention, th pentagon general couel this week said e administration ght keep people in jail even te acquitted, foun innocent essentially in court. do y see that as an assertion they believe more in intelligce as a system than they do in the justice syem at they're suspicion of somebody's dangerousness is more important than y evidence against that person? >> it's an admission theyon't believe in theconstitution. >> hmm i. think we haveo distguish between people at guantanamo and elsewhere wher when t last administration so tainted things it will be difficult to try them. and othereople that wemight come across in the future. the peop we come across in the future, there's absolutely no need to do detention without trial. either try themn the untry where th're itting the crime, under their system. or bring them backere

you're partf alaeda and you represent a danger and sayat a magic point and time od luck you can go now. the peop thate're fighting, if some of them are let , they're goingo tryo kill us all. and it dsn't make us a better nationo put a burden upon ourselves at no one else s eraccepted. so what mygoal in working with my cleagues is to have a ratnal system of justice tt willake sure thatevery detainee has a chance to make the argument i'm being improperly ld, have a dayin court, have a reew by an independent judiciary, but w do not take it so far as we can't ep an al qaeda mber in jail untilhey die. because some of them deserve to be in jail until ty di and i want the world to understand that america is not a bad place because we will hold al qaeda meers under a proce that is fair, transparent til ey die. my message to those who want to in this organizaton or are thinking about joing it, is that you c get killed if yo join, and you may wind u dying in jail. as this country and this congress comes to grs with how to deal with an enemy that doesn't wr a uniform, that doesn't follow a rule t

ansnational groups that are attackininto afghanistan and by transnational groups, i don't necessary mean alaeda, but the etta shura taliban these groups that c stage in pakistan and canperate in afghanistan,. so, yes we, we needto seeome vement in pistan. i do nothink we can be successful if we do not reduce at t very least t safe havens in pakistan the degre to which we need to reduce those safe havens, i think is a question that i don't have the answer to. i think that's a question for thentelligence community. rose: and finly thers this,you mesed appomattox courouse where general lee surrendered to geral ulysses s. gnt. you ve suggested tt mccrystal may be lee grant. which is he? it's tempting to call him grant in n tt he is a gener th finally an illinois lawyer turned president has stled upon to win his victory. but on t other hand, struck reading shelby foote's htory of the civil war and he talks about grant marchin north into second invasion of e north.... rose: lee? lee mahing north? >> i'morry. lee marching north into pennsylvaniaith the stars d their courses slidg against him. and it's

alaeda and where are they trying to get a dirtyomb? we have lots a lots of really rtant issues.he cia to make sure that the speaker looks oy at the end of the day is t a good use of our time and i argue is ngerous to national security. >> we ve harold ford e. >> always god to see you, man. >> good to see you. >> the program u were nofied abt. you've been on t committ, have there been numerous incidences when yove had a director come before and say we are going to notify you of the ogram because you indicated e program w o and on in 2001? i'm justurious how often does this happen and if it do happen, is it meing serious something the american people should take more riously? >> well, sten, i believe firmlyhat congress should be formed and that's the proper ovght role that we play. u know, you nd thatn agcy thibig involved in as many things a they are, th bump int things. our job to determine, liste are you doing something ong intentionally? are you misleadin and lying, which is a very, veryerious ch or did you something wrong? it a traffic ticket or is it a felony? big difference