the real alamo as opposed to the alamo of our dreams. it's also a time for the countries undergo the sweeping reassessment of george floyd. texas history is largely got in the past. that certainly surprising for it i say going in i had absolutely had no understanding of the latino experience with the alamo and it dawned on us during the research this is a big issue. we were very, very sensitive we are probably not the first people you would ask to bring this into mainstream discourse. we tried to do it by respect in doing talking too as many latino thinkers as we could. basically trying to convey their stories. i trust for those reading the book they will feel we have done it responsibly. >> my background is as a foreign correspondent. i covered the genocide in rwanda and south africa and i learned that everyone needs to be part of these conversations of looking at the past and talking about the myths, the lies, the disinformation, propaganda whatever word you want to use. we've all got to participate in this reckoning together. my ances

as were talking before forget the alamo in other instances. i don't think censoring things from being discussed is the way to go. if it's out thereit it's in the public eye. students have an appropriate age should be made aware and discuss it. if it's problematic you could raise those. you could bring opposing views , i think it's much better to discuss things for the bottom line on this. >> were going to close with this text, high annette remember meet david hoover covid 1977. [laughter] i just text mark evans to say you were on, question have you seen your mural on the square? what did you think, love your work. >> thank you this is amazing. david and i were very good friends. yes i've seen the mural, i've seen the bust. also learn the going to name a school after me in my hometown. which shows you some of the changes that are taking place over the years. people are kinda very supportive of me. what we have 30 seconds left gives a history of this mural, what happened? >> guest: some admirers and my mother's friends put a mural up in my homet

so, i've been talked into having the full alamo experience, here. but, ryan, tell me...is a point of this, isn't there? right. this living history. absolutely. so as people come in here, and they can see how we would have cooked coffee, how we would cook meat over the fire, the kind of foods that we would have had here. parched corn and beef was the food they had to eat during the battle. and so what we try to do is just let people in on that side of history, give them — kind of a taste, the same emotional experience. what do you think was the mood of the people who were in this situation, waiting, in a sense, for the mexicans to come? this was home for them. this was the chance for a new life. and so in that, they were willing to fight for something greater than themselves — which is kind of that, in — in my view, that's kind of the amazing feeling you get any battlefield site. this epic fight for freedom from mexico might be part of the folklore of san antonio, but hispanic influence is also a huge part of the city's current identity. we're only two and a half hours' d

i don't think-- as we were talking before about, forget the alamo and censoring or stopping things is the way to go. if it's out there, it's in the public eye. and students at an appropriate age should be made aware of those kinds of things and to discuss it and if the teachers -- if there are points that are problematic. you can raise them. you can bring opposing views. i think that it's much better to discuss things than to hide, that's part of the bottom line on that. >> we're going to close with this text. hi, annette, remember me, david hooper, conroe high, 1977. [laughter] >> david. >> conroe mayor, i just texted mark evans to say you were on. question, have you seen your mural on the square? what did you think? love your work. >> thank you. this is amazing. david cooper and i were very good friends. yes, i've seen the mural, i've seen the bust. i've also learned they're going to name a school after me in my hometown which shows you some of the changes that have taken place in that town over the years. i'm all for it. people have been very kind and very supportive of me. >> give

i know we touch on the alamo and ten alamo minute ago.ed to acknowledge missus pearson's it e-mail predict speech of, yes, i heard about the situation, it is kind of like what is called the effects when you draw attention to things like this, this will probably make people go out and readro the book even more. people don't like to have ideas being kept from them. that's important situation. from the things that are actually part about it. i'm not the book yet. that should be on my nightstand next. peter: will you be in the s book festival services fall. annette: i think so yes i'm supposed to be in the book circuit is full in the fall. i am hoping to be there in person. some virtual things are nice but it's also to be out and meet people. it's a lot of fun. peter: in texas is in person this p year. in cleveland ohio, go ahead. guest: my question for professor annette gordon-reed is related to sallyly hemmings. we don't know the name of sally hemmings. when dave missed in the story is a visual image depiction of sally hemmings. using from

as were talking before forget the alamo in other instances.don't think censoring things from being discussed is the way to go. if it's out thereit it's in the public eye. students have an appropriate age should be made aware and discuss it. if it's problematic you could raise those. you could bring opposing views , i think it's much better to discuss things for the bottom line on this. >> were going to close with this text, high annette remember meet david hoover covid 1977. [laughter] i just text mark evans to say you were on, question have you seen your mural on the square? what did you think, love your work. >> thank you this is amazing. david and i were very good friends. yes i've seen the mural, i've seen the bust. also learn the going to name a school after me in my hometown. which shows you some of the changes that are taking place over the years. people are kinda very supportive of me. what we have 30 seconds left gives a history of this mural, what happened? >> guest: some admirers and my mother's friends put a mural up in my hometown

so i have been talked into having the full alamo experience, here.? this living history. isn't there? this living histo . , , history. absolutely. so people can see how— history. absolutely. so people can see how we _ history. absolutely. so people can see how we would - history. absolutely. so people can see how we would cook. can see how we would cook coffee, cook meat over the fire, the kinds of food that we had here. corn and beef was the food they had during the battle. we try to let people in on that side of history, give them a taste of the same emotional experience. what do ou think emotional experience. what do you think was _ emotional experience. what do you think was the _ emotional experience. what do you think was the mood - emotional experience. what do you think was the mood of- emotional experience. what do you think was the mood of the | you think was the mood of the people in this situation, waiting, innocence, for the mexicans to come?- waiting, innocence, for the mexicans to come? this was home for them. this _ mexicans to come?

i have been talked into having the full alamo experience here. to this. figs experience here. ryan, tell me, there is a point to this. as people cominu there is a point to this. as people coming here. _ there is a point to this. as people coming here, they _ there is a point to this. as people coming here, they will _ there is a point to this. as people coming here, they will see - there is a point to this. as people coming here, they will see how . there is a point to this. as people | coming here, they will see how we cooked _ coming here, they will see how we cooked coffee and me over the fire. perched _ cooked coffee and me over the fire. parched corn and beef is what they had to— parched corn and beef is what they had to eat — parched corn and beef is what they had to eat during the battle and what _ had to eat during the battle and what we — had to eat during the battle and what we try to do is just let people in on _ what we try to do is just let people in on that— what we try to do is just let people in on that side of history, give them —

how do ila have this aerobic understanding of the alamo?ealize one of the things we are fighting for is to keep my people in bondage so i fell into the row g on —- the rousing nature and but later on i began to see the problems and if there is a way to reconcile this and how you can do that. host: good afternoon and welcome to booktv on c-span2. independence day, 2021. our monthly t program in-depth we invite one author to come on and talk about her book harvard professor, pulitzer prize winning a author, annette gordan-reed. she began her career in 1997 thomas jefferson and sally hemmings. they hemmings of monticello, 2008. winning the pulitzer and the national bookkna award. andrew johnson a biography. 2010. most blessed of the patriarchs. 2016. on juneteenth came out this year. annette gordan-reed has also co-authored a book with the late vernon jordan 2001. and she has edited race on trial law and justice on american history. and interactive program and your voices are very important. we will scroll to the numbers in case you didn't get

i don't think as we were talking before about forget the alamo in other instances.n't think that stopping things from being discussed is the way to go. it is out, is in the public eye, students and an appropriate age should be made aware and to discuss it and teachers in their poinsett are problematic, you can raise them. you can c bring opposing views d you can do like i think that it's much better to discuss things that sort of the bottom line that i have on this pretty. peter: were going to close with this text, hie annette remember me, hon ohio 1977. and i just texted mark evans to say that you were on. i'm a, have you seen your mural on the square and what did you think and i love you work. annette: thank you and this is amazing. we were very good friends. setting mural in the bus and learn there going to name the school after me in my hometown which shows you some of the changes taking place in the town on the years. i'm all for the people of been very kind and very supportive of me. it. peter: quickly. we have 30 seconds left and gives a history of this mural

as we were talking before forget the alamo and other instances.n't think the censoring things or stopping things is the way to go. if it is out there, it is in the public eye. students should be made aware of those kinds of things and to discuss it. there are points you think problematic, you can raise those. you can bring opposing views, i think it's much better to discuss things d and hide. that's the bottom line iot have on this. >> host: were going to close with this text, high annette sremember me? david hooper conway hyatt 1977. i just textt mark evans to say you were on. question what have you seen yourur mural on the square? what do you think, love your work? >> thank you this is amazing. they were very good friends. yes, i've seen the mural, i've seen the bus. i've also learned they're going to name a school after me and my hometown would show shoot some of the changes that havere taken place over the years. i am all for it, people have been very kind and very supportive of me. so he wouldn't give us very quickly we have 30 seconds left,

we have a book that states forget the alamo. i come up with the true history.u keep mentioning the state constitution and this constitution and that. it is a much too high a level for gradeschool kids to be reading. to get practical i wish he would give it more thought. i do not want you to say now but i do think it's a crucial question that someone from the republican state would want to hear from you. >> host: okay roberto i think we got the point annette gordon reed. >> guest: okay, when is it appropriate, age-appropriate to talk about race and history? myra kelman is a writer who wrote a book about jefferson a biography of jefferson for people who were five -- seven years old. she talks about slavery and sallyt hemming. she does it in a way that is a brilliant and completely age-appropriate. i don't see why you could not talk or raise the question about the texas republic and younger grades. not reading the constitution but there are ways to write anything. i have seen really good books for young people on the book i'm talking about now, certainly through e

we have a book that states forget the alamo [inaudible] the true history. you keep mentioning the state constitution and this constitution and that. that's much too high a level for grade school kids to be reading. to get practical, i wish you would give it more thought. i don't want you to say it now, but i do think that's going to be a crucial question that someone from -- the republicans here in the state would want to hear from you -- >> caller: i think -- >> host: i think we have gotten the point. annette gordon reed. >> guest: when is it appropriate? age appropriate to talk about race in history? a writer who has written a book about jefferson, a biography of jefferson for people who are 5 to 7 years old. and she talks about slavery, and she talks about sally hemings, and she does it in a way that's brilliant and it's completely age appropriate. i think you could talk about -- i don't see why you couldn't talk about or raise the question about the texas republic in younger grades. i don't think that there's a problem -- you know, not reading the const

host: back to your book on juneteenth page 101 in 1967 a rerelease of the 1960 film , the alamo. taken to see it with my best friend. >> yes. it was an exciting thing in a big deal to go to the movies in those dayss and in houston. 40 miles north and it is a time force but now of course houston has reached out upon all of us in that area but it is an exciting thing to go see this movie about people we already knew about. jim, travis, davy crockett they were names known to us. and then to be into both characters. i knew who they were. and then into my sites. so it was very heroic for trail of the alamo there's nothing in there that surprised me or made me uncomfortable as a character who was a slave to portray not in the way to make me uncomfortable in that trope that wasn't about this heroic presentation of this battle where the texans make the last grandstand against the mexicans. now later on, when i am a teenager and those teenage years when i was in college reading about this, to understand the taxi and had reasons to fight for their independence but as i mentioned before, on

back to your book on juneteenth, page 101 quote in 1967 there is a rerelease of the 1960 film the alamo. i was taken to see it with my best friend, he tells about that? >> it was an exciting thing. it was a big deal to go to the movies in those days and to go to houston connor was a little town 40 miles north of houston. hisce potentially applying force between the two places. course now houston has breached out and encroached upon all of us in that area. this was an exciting thing to treat to go see this movie about people we already knew about, jim buie, travis, davy crockett, these were names known to us. my best friend he was a boy was really into both characters but i knew who they were thought jim buie was almostmo this semi- godlike person the had this special powers or whatever. he got into knife fights the bowie knife became famous because of that so we go to see this film is very, very heroic betrayal of the alamo as you would have expected. there was nothing in therebl that surprised me. there things that made me uncomfortable is a character who was a slave and portrayed not

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back to your book on juneteenth, page 101 quote in 1967 there is a rerelease of the 1960 film the alamo. i was taken to see it with my best friend, he tells about that? >> it was an exciting thing. it was a big deal to go to the movies in those days and to go to houston connor was a little town 40 miles north of houston. hisce potentially applying force between the two places. course now houston has breached out and encroached upon all of us in that area. this was an exciting thing to treat to go see this movie about people we already knew about, jim buie, travis, davy crockett, these were names known to us. my best friend he was a boy was really into both characters but i knew who they were thought jim buie was almostmo this semi- godlike person the had this special powers or whatever. he got into knife fights the bowie knife became famous because of that so we go to see this film is very, very heroic betrayal of the alamo as you would have expected. there was nothing in therebl that surprised me. there things that made me uncomfortable is a character who was a slave and portrayed not

one he didn't die at the alamo that was davie crockett. and number two he hated coonskin caps.was an average size man for his era, he was 5'7", 5'8". all of his cousins were gigantic. 6'2, 6'3", 6'4". daniel always thought he was short. and he felt wearing a coonskin cap made him look shorter. so he wore a tall hunter's cap. and once again keeping in mind this isn't so much a biography of daniel boone but the era we are using daniel boone as our guide. the man was just everywhere. everything that happened, every big historical event either boone or his family was there. now, daniel boone was also a man out of his time. he did not believe the indians were heathens, were savages. and when i say that he had a 21st century sensibilities, it came as a bit of a shock to tom and i. and i think tom is much more erudite at explaining that than i am. so if you don't mind, they're probably don't know what i'm talking about, so i'm leaving it up to you to clean up my mess. >> i will do what i can. something that you referred to about daniel boone as our main character, but this is not a bi

he did not die at the alamo. that was davy crockett and two he hated coon skin caps. he was a average size man for his ear. he was five seven five eight, but all his cousins were gigantic man, six two six three six four daniel always thought he was sure and he felt wearing a coon skin. cat made him look shorter. so he always wear a tall hunters cap. and but another thing that really jumped out about us and once again keeping in mind that this is not so much a biography of daniel boone, but the biography of an era as and we're using daniel boone as our guide. is that the man was just everywhere? everything that happened every big historical event either boone or his family was there now daniel boone was also a man out of his time. he did not believe that the indians were heathens that they were savages and when i say that he had 21st century sensibilities. it came as a bit of a shock to tom and i and i think tom is much more erudite at explaining why that is than i am so if you don't mind tom you want to tell him one of they probably don't know what i'm talking about.

and that is we -- it is about the alamo and the struggle to maintain slavery. we and as -- who considers john wayne to the alamo to be a documentary, these were all in forcing this idea of white supremacy. and we are seeing, that is all. ally and that makes a lot of people uncomfortable with in the legions about my family treated slaves well. you can't do that. i think that this is an important political moment, and i think that it is essentially we important. the obligations he felt both to his people in the world, had a clear evidence of his states winner at idaho. the site was the atomic energy commissions experimental reactor number. one of the first reactor to produce electricity from nuclear energy. here, the president spoke of enlarging the prospects of encouraging collaboration between this soviet union and the united states. between, us we possess unimaginable power. i think that this responsibility any borne of either two nations in any time in history. >> our purpose, he concluded, is not to -- not only to avoid nuclear war, but to use nuclear energy

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when was the battle of the alamo? 1840s? we are talking about 1775. this is when -- this is when daniel bonino's singest most famous act of pioneering took place. he led a party of settlers in the wake of doesn't moore's war through the cumberland gap and into central kentucky. and one of the first towns founded in central kentucky was boones borrow. it was founded in 1775. it is weird to think of daniel boone as a revolutionary war hero, right? his most famous act occurred before the united states even existed. it's fascinating that we don't -- you know n the popular imagination, we don't place him in time here because we don't think of the american revolution as a pioneering era. but the american revolution is the first pioneering era and the first intrepid western explorers, slash, occupiers, swung into action in the revolution, and in kentucky. i want to say a little bit more about daniel boone in just a minute. but hold that thought. and just to kind of talk quickly about the war experience in central kentucky, the various communities of central

the crew had been fighting the dixie fire near the community of lake alamo nor salamon or west along highway 89 in plumas county. the dixie fire has burned about 765 square miles. more than 400 buildings have been destroyed. the fire has become tough to fight on the ground are the inversion said in so real not able to fly the moment. >> once the inversion list, we will be open for the for any aircraft coming into to reload out of testers. >> that was jim peters with the u.s. forest service. she is in charge of the air tankers at an air base in chester. she says the conditions if those conditions weren't so smoky, the base would be able to support both air tankers and helicopters to reload with fuel and. their base is very close to where the fire is burning flames have now burned through parts of the town and is actually creeping closer to a field right behind the base. >> and to our drought coverage and new figures from the santa clara valley water district. they show that retailers are falling a bit behind to themselves and conserving water officials with the water agency remain hop

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i'm alamo here until how with the headlines on al jazeera, the televisions cofer interior has arrived in afghanistan. capital for talk soon, forming a new government's will a dual gone abroad to lead the groups negotiations. in doha, the taliban says the future governments will be inclusive. charlotte, bella says more from cobble was unclear what's going on behind the scenes. the very secretive about these communications we're getting is the old folks are sure that they're actually meeting, but as 10th of the substance remains to be seen. we do know that the taliban are very concerned about legitimacy. it's very important to them. the us have told us that in terms of the leverage that they still have with the telephone, that they have a money and they have legitimacy. and that is what they are relying on. they say that they know or the telephone want to be respected on a world stage. and that part of that is including government leaders and having an inclusive government that represents elements in society. new more tens of thousands of people are still trying to get tired of f ganna

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and it gave a little more push back, especially on certain lessons the alamo, the civil war, the vietnam war. these were the touchstones that they pushed back most thought, which i think is kind of illustrative of what still resonates with americans. yeah, and i should just say before anyone thinks his job, usa mashing british history and the history i was taught about britain degree, all countries have to create a kind of mythology. you mentioned vietnam in the book. you claim that nixon use the initial circumstances that exacerbated attention in vietnam to be elected. oh, absolutely. you know, nixon does a few things to get elected. first of all, he plays on the culture wars. he sort of place to this, what he calls the silent majority, the white backlash against the civil rights movement, the white working class backlash against what was perceived as like a privileged college kid, anti war movement. even though that's a bit of a mythology too. and also, you know, he literally sense kissinger, right? one of the great villains of american history that, you know, hillary clinton looks up

it confirmed with what they had already sent from los alamos, so that confirmation is important also because that eliminates a lot of the questions and suspicions of what might have been misinformation. anybody that they see that needed confirmation when they got the information from the intelligence sources so there is quite a list. if you look at the amount of time it took the country to figure out exactly how to emphasize and manufacture and the fact that information was sent definitely sped up the production. about those reports that we know so plant structures and worker numbers. it helps detail the safety development. one of the things you discuss in the book i think plays an interesting role if you can tell your take on what's going on there. >> that was very interesting. that put in the ranking of the army specialized training program he was sent and this was a program to advance the scientific capability of some draftees and used in all kinds of projects. george was one of them and then he was chosen to be in another group, the special engineer detachment which meant that he

i'm alamo, he didn't do how, with the headlines on al jazeera, the televisions co frontier has arrived in afghanistan capital for talk soon, forming a new government's will abdul gotten abroad to lead the groups negotiations? in doha, the taliban says the future governments will be inclusive. charlotte belo says more from cobble.