alan blinder, who was the -- who was with the federal reserve when alan greenspan was chairman. he was at princeton. them during before testimony was, what do we need to do to make real progress with deficit to -- deficit production -- deficit reduction? blender said the a hundred pound girl in the room with health care costs. i asked him what we should do about it. i will never forget what he said. he said, find out what works and do more of that. do you mean find out what doesn't work and do less of that? and he said, yes. for the folks before us today department wide, i have said this several times. i will keep saying it. we have an idea of what works, because we have seen dhs go through this successfully. asked them repeatedly what they can learn from the department of homeland security. some answers and some did not. the department of defense take for action and improve their opportunities to get to refusal speed and carry beyond that? do you want to go first, please? carper, i'm somewhat familiar with the department of homeland security. one of the key leadership -- key el