alan cooperman, let me start with you. one aspect of this that might surprise people is just how widespread this drop is. did that strike you? >> absolutely, jeff. i mean, i think the important thing for people the realize, this is really widespread, broad-based social change. it's taking place not just in the big cities or in the northeast, it's taking place in every region of the country, including in the bible belt, among men and women, among blacks latinos and whites, among older people and younger people, and among people with college degrees and those with only high school degrees. >> brown: and dr. jones does it jive with what you see happening around you? are you surprised at all? >> yeah, it's surprising to see the statistics lay it out so clearly but on another level it's not surprising at all. it's what we all look around when -- what we see in new york city and in small towns. it's the reality. >> brown: what explains this? >> even in theological seminary, we're seeing the unaffiliated this growing group, actua