gingrich tweeting that it would be biased which it is in d.c., and while that's politicians, and alan dershowitz said the d.c. jurors could be tilted because of voter registration, saying the district of columbia jury pool, whoev overwhelmingly democratic, they might be hospitable to mueller. there's no one-to-one association. dershowitz writes, to say that race doesn't matter at all blinks reality or at least that's what most experienced prosecutors and defense attorneys will tell you. in a moment i will hear from the representative for washington. but now i'm joined by harvard law professor alan dershowitz. professor, isn't the important question here whether there's evidence of crimes, not all of these geographic issues that you're writing about it? >> you need process, too, in order to determine whether there's enough evidence. you need a fair process. all i said is that the prosecutor's decision to convene a second grand jury, he already had a grand jury in virginia, had the effect, maybe not the intent, had the effect of giving him a tactical advantage if there ever is going to be a trial,

that is racist. >> laura: alan dershowitz joins us.rbes and insults but that took the cake when you were merely making a comment about the way grand jurors operate. and now a democrat branded you as a racist. and what is your response to the madness. >> the grand jury selection. i learned about it from my friend and colleague johnny cochran. when he died, maxine waters asked congress to pass legislation honoring him for his great sensitivity in regard. she toss says around that term, that is dilutes the term and hurts her own cause. if everything's a racist no one is a racist f. i am a racist. what is she really going to call real racism? if she calls me a racist. being black does not give you a license to call someone a racist just like being jewish is not giving you the right to call everyone antisemimight. there is not a criminal lawyer or prosecutor that would disagree with the statement that mueller got an advantage by moving the case to district of klumia. he has a better chance of getting a favorable jury pool in the district of

i am surprised that alan dershowitz is talking like that. and we willl not stand for it.ck against that because that is absolutely racist. >> laura: alan dershowitz now joins us. professor, it is good to see you. i have heard a lot of craziness lately and all of these barbs and insults being thrown at people. but that kind of took the cake, when you were merely making a comment about the way juries operate, grand jury's operate in different jurisdictions. yet, a democrat now has granted you a racist, really, a popular democrat right now. what is your response to this madness? >> i learned about jury selection and the role of race and ethnicity and politics for my friend and colleague johnny cochran. of course, when he tragically died, maxine waters past special legislation honoring him for his great sensitivity regarding race. if i said it is not a factor -- she tosses around that term so promiscuously that it dilutes the term. she hurts her own cause. because she is crying wolf. if everybody is a racist, the nobody is a racist. if i'm a racist, then what is she going to

alan dershowitz will join me in a few minutes on how identity politics is dividing this country. it is irresponsible rhetoric. want to go to blake burman at at the white house what we can expect from the arizona. what about the message he is sending, at the rally what does it all mean? >> reporter: the president actually in the air to yuma, the botheredder town, to talk about one of many campaign promise, what to do with the southern border. he will have an event with customs and border patrol, when he heads later tonight in phoenix, arizona, campaign-style rally. one of the questions the president may or may not talk about the potential pardon for the controversial sheriff there, joe arpaio but also the two republican senators in that state, jeff flake and john mccain the president had hit recently. the mccain voted against the health care bill, essentially sinking that bill, the president called flake, quote toxic in the recent days as well. this could also potentially serve as another vehicle on this day for the administration to talk about the newly-announced afghanistan stra

. >> alan dershowitz, he's emerged as a defender. he had something, this is alan dershowitz. >> it gives the prosecutor the power to indict in the district of columbia which is a district that's heavily democratic and a jury pool very unfavorable to the trump administration. so it gives the prosecutor a tremendous tactical advantage. >> he went to talk about the ethnic and racial mix. >> i think absolutely unfair. he is saying, all those black people are there and they don't like trump. so he won't get a fair trial. so they should take it out of that jurisdiction. it shouldn't be there to begin with. i don't like that. i'm surprise that had alan dershowitz is talking like that. we will push back against that. it is nice to have you here in person. >>> joining me now, from the daily beast, you had sources in the white house. it becomes choerer and clearer. there is a very real thing happening with serious subpoena power. >> absolutely. but with regard to mueller and his legal team is what senior aides are worried about, what the presi

i find alan dershowitz's comments about a grand jury very offensive. black people could be just as fair to donald trump as white people. this race bait something unacceptable. i'm a graduate of the university that employs him and for him to be shooting his mouth off talking about the racial makeup of a grand jury it's offensive. it's offensive to our system of democracy, and the united states and of course he doesn't like grand juries because he spent most of his life defending very rich people who were very guilty going back to the von bulow trial. he doesn't like grand juries but doesn't need to bring race into it. the race bait something unacceptable and we should not be encouraging that and president trump has been doing a lot of it, people working to are him. i'm shocked to see a prominent law professor engage in the race-baiting. >> seema iyer, elizabeth holtzman thank you. >>> this week donald trump found a way to alienate just about every single minority group in america. and that's very hard to do. that's next. prestige creams not living up to

grand jury which is a factual common, so alan dershowitz, vaunted liberal, is now a racist.thinks colin kaepernick doesn't have a good enough game is a racist. can you guys a zero on my alabama, my little card thing, i am a college football fan more so now than in nfl fan, because there is still, you have prayer, you still fly the flag, they don't tolerate this political stuff in the college sports. people are tired of it. >> i don't think the nfl wants this. they just want to play football. this is dangerous, in my opinion. football has been incredibly good for african-american men. it has created more millionaires than any other industry for african-americans. the nfl is 70% african-american players. >> laura: we've got to go. >> listen, they're trying to turn this into hollywood and the movie industry where black people don't get employed at this rate. don't become millionaires. >> laura: it is a resistant field, and the nfl is going to hurt itself. i appreciate it, jason. thanks so much. up next, tucker will be back to interview a documentary director who thinks the best

but he and alan dershowitz wrote a famous harvard law review article in 1969 about rendering the death penalty unconstitutional. and that, i would say, was one area where his -- and he was probably still the most knowledgeable in terms of jewish religious tradition. and that came, i think, from his jewish -- his understanding of what then was not called -- and of jewish values. >> thank you. sir? >> my name is mr. gillman. i live in louisville, walking distance of congressgation ka me a israel and the entire jewish community, lived in a central area of louisville which was open at that time to german jews and especially polish jews. i'd like to present a slightly different perspective on this rabbi. when i studied the talmud and i perceived the obligation of the jew to the treatment of employees, to the treatment of the relationships of other people, and i read the decisions of justice bran dice as to how you treat your employees, and then when i look at justice kor doe zoe, not necessary le when he was on the supreme court, but when i looked at his decisions on the court of appeals of

alan dershowitz says, where this was all happening is a big problem. he joins me now.omething that newt gingrich said recently, professor, that the grand jury was happening in d.c. because you have a bias crowd there in d.c. to think of something to the? >> no, i do not agree with the statement. what i said was very different. i said, i thought that mueller had a tactical advantage by moving the potential trial to the district of columbia, which is at 90% democrat compared outside which is a split. i thought the ethic and racial composition of the district of columbia provided an advantage to the prosecutor. i am not saying that they cannot be fair in the district of columbia. i fed my fist there white and black jurists can be fair. i'm just saying that any experience lawyer would rather defend a member of the trump administration in virginia than the district of columbia. that is an uncontroversial statement. by people like maxine waters have described me as a racist -- richard painter used that term. even my friend, nancy gregor refused to deny that. that i was a rac

. >> alan dershowitz, he's emerged as a defender of the president.e had something to say about the citing of the grand jury in washington, d.c. today. he is talking about where the grand jury is located. take a listen. >> the second one is important because of where it is. it gives the prosecutor the power to indict in the district of columbia which is a district that's heavily democratic and a jury pool very unfavorable to the trump administration. so it gives the prosecutor a tremendous tactical advantage. >> he went to talk about the ethnic and racial district as stacked against donald trump. do you think it is unfair. >> i think absolutely unfair. he is saying, all those black people are there and they don't like trump. so he won't get a fair trial. so they should take it out of that jurisdiction. it shouldn't be there to begin with. i don't like that. i'm surprised that alan dershowitz is talking like that. we will push back against that. because that is racist. >> colleen waters, thank you for being here. >> delighted. thank you. >>> joining me

one of the years alan dershowitz was a strictly orthodox jew. he had a very expensive kosher seder. on his supreme court letter head he wrote out the goldberg family recipe for the traditional passover dish. spiritually he was a jewish jew, as was his wife. one quick anecdote -- it will be very quick, i hope. >> it's five minutes to 8:00 and we're not even up to fordis here. >> he always told the story of visiting while he was secretary of labor his elderly jewish mother in chicago. while he was over sleeping one day and just kind of half awake the phone rings and his mother asks who is this and it's president kennedy. so he answers the president. he says the president of which? >> just a word or two about the yiddish kite of justice fortis. then i'm going to ask you to reflect again on my question of the extent, if any, to which -- and i know you're not a lawyer or legal scholar, in your research you were able to discern any impact on the jurisprudence of these people. >> yeah. >> of the fact that they were at least born jewish. >> fortis was born into an orthodox family. he grew u

arthur goldberg with the assistance of alan dershowitz, his law clerk at the time, he went on a campaign, and he tried to get a campaign going to render the death penalty unconstitutional. the problem was -- had he not resigned from the court, when he did, he might not have achieved this himself by the time the first death penalty cases came out and some of them were -- it was really attacking the constitutionality of the death penalty death penalty. it was in the 1970s when he had and that i would say was one area where his -- and he was probably the most knowledgeable in terms of jewish religious tradition and that came, i think from his jewish, his understanding of what then was not called kukunolum, jewish values. >> thank you. sir? >> my name is shala gillman. i beg to disagree with you slightly. louis's bran dies's family lived within walkings distance and the entire jewish community lived in a central area of louisville which was very open at that time to german jews and especially polish jews. when i study the talmud and i perceived the obligations of the jews to the treatment of

here to weigh in harvard law school professor, lifelong democrat, alan dershowitz.d mueller it is not a fishing expedition. what do you make of that? >> well, the justice department rules and regulations are very broad. remember that the special prosecutor who started investigating bill clinton about white water ended up accusing him based on a private relationship with monica lewinsky. i don't think that president trump or his administration should take much solace in the claim by rosenstein that this is not a fishing expedition. i do think that they are looking to catch moby dick the big whale and that's what the special counsel will be after. donald trump or anybody as high up in the administration as possible. if he doesn't get somebody, he will be regarded as a failure who spent a lot of money investigating and came up with nothing. so i think there is much of an incentive to try to come up with something serious. >> you are saying the white house should be concerned. how do you think this grand jury being empanelled, how does that change things? >> the fact it

. >>> a former harvard law professor alan dershowitz said the d.c.ury gives the president a tactical advantage, because the district's ethnic and racial comp position might be unfavorable to the trump administration. is the deck stacked against the president there? how partisan of these grand juries? >> grand juries are not particularly partisan. they are made up of, you know, 20-some odd people who are drawn from the local area. the thing about grand juries and their bias is that it's just the prosecutor and the grand jury. there's no judge or adver sale process. in that sense the grand jury is biased toward the prosecutor, whoever the prosecutor may be. >> there are grand juries now involved, does that mean mueller has hi sights on the white house? >> it's hard to know exactly who the target is. the white house can't say for sure they're not a target. certainly there are a number of things that have taken place in the white house that would raise attention. i think it's become clear that the president is the target of an investigation into obstruct

i don't like that and i'm surprised that alan dershowitz is talking like that and we will not stand for it. we will push back against that because that is absolutely racist. >> maxine waters, congresswoman from california. it's nice to have you here in person. >> delighted to be here. thank you. >> you have sources inside the white house, what are they sort of thinking of it becomes clearer and clearer, there is a real thing happening with robert mueller with very real and serious people and real and serious subpoena power? >> absolutely. but more what will happen with regards to mueller and his legal team is what senior aides in the white house are currently worried about what the president of the united states himself might do in the coming days, in the coming weeks as he reads more negative coverage regarding and watches more it have on cable news regarding what's going on with the mueller investigation, how furious he gets about it. this could have to do with his various flirtations with regards to does he order the sacking of robert mueller as he has sort of flirted with in a much

the other day she even called alan dershowitz a racist.s that one of the nation's biggest anti-semites made to obama's white house. why wouldn't the concern about bigoted media calling out obama for inviting this man, that a local jewish leader accused of formulating the crown heights right. one with the media condemning these kinds of things. these are the kinds of double standards that try people like donald trump crazy, and i don't blame him. >> sean: i will give you the final work tonight, what you think you might >> if donald trump really is this white supremacist why did he go campaign in black neighborhoods last fall he spoke in a black church, a school setting in cleveland, 8% of the black vote, that's one-third more than mitt romney did, who got 6%. he's really dedicated his presidency to school choice, to expanding options for black families to send their kids some are they actually might learn something. despite all these claims by the left that he's away to premises, here's a republican who who is actually reached out for black

in fact, let's listen to alan dershowitz, this on wabc radio. here it is. >> the second one is important, because of where it is. it gives the prosecutor the power to indict, in the district of columbia, which is a district that is heavily democratic, and it would have be very unfavorable to trump and the trump administration. so it gives the prosecutor a tremendous tactical advantage. >> so he's bringing up a political angle there. do you agree with mr. dershowitz? >> i don't, because i know northern virginia. northern virginia is also very democratic. i don't think that's -- i do not believe that's a factor. >> okay. let's talk about white house special counsel, tye cobb responding to the grand jury report, saying that the white house favors anything that accelerates the conclusion of his work fairly and the white house is committed to fully cooperating with mr. mueller. the president, though, he's taking a more defiant tone. let's listen to what he told supporters in west virginia this week. >> the russia story is a total fabrication. it's ju

with the hassistance of alan dershowitz, he went on a campaign -- he tried to get a campaign going to render the death penalty unconstitutional. the problem was he had resigned from the court. when he did he might have achieved it himself. by the time the first death penalty cases came out and some of them were -- there was, really -- attacking the constitutionality of the death penalty was in 1970s. i cite in my book, he wrote a famous article in 1969 about rendering the death penalty unconstitutional. that i would say was one area -- and he was probably still the most knowledgeable in terms of jewish religious traditions. and that came, i think, from his jewish -- his understanding of what then was not called of jewish value. >> thank you. >> sir? >> my name is shelly gilman. i live in louisville, kentucky. i beg to disagree with you. the entire jewish community lived in a central area of louisville, which was very open at that time to german jews and especially polish jews. now, turning to your -- i'd like to present a slightly different perspective on this, rabbi. when i study the

here to react harvard law professor alan dershowitz. and more coming out from the democratic side, angry about the president's rhetoric. ultimately though isn't it the commander-in-chief in charge in this moment? should we be playing politics here? >> well, one hopes that the president is not doing what president obama did years ago when he created a red line with syria and then he failed to comply. i think that probably president trump at this point has more credibility. i suspect he's believed because he's so unpredictable. we saw it today that the north koreans responded. so it's hard to second guess. some presidents have taken the position of speak softly and carry a big stick. that was teddy roosevelt. other presidents have spoken forcely and loudly. it depends on the situation. i'm going to wait and see how it plays out before trying to second guess. what i don't like is congress coming in now and trying to pass legislation precluding the president from taking military action if necessary. that actually blunts any presidential imp