and chris hill, and alan friedman, a research scientist at george washington university. jodie, with such high profile breaches just in the past several months is there an explicit or implicit responsibility of government to help shore up corporate defenses? >> well, the government should not be shoring up in the sense that we don't need the government inside the companies building their security programs. but we do need the oh government to have effective law enforcement, and to conduct effective international investigations and provide resources to help facilitate the response to these incidents. that's the role of government. >> idoes it matter who the hackers are? if it's a gang looking to steal visa numbers or someone working at the arm of a government. >> companies have to be prepared, and they have to be as protective as they can. and they need to understand that there is a wide range of threats out there, and they need to be prepared for all of them, the most likely ones who will be targeting, and it's possible through an enterprise security program to be prepared