. >> .and alan ginsberg who went to the arctic in the gift's, ginsberg did, and how that sense of ecology that emerged in the late 50s affected the save wild alaska movement. but fdr i write about a lot, harold ickes his interior secretary... >> yeah. >> .fred seaton, the interior secretary for dwight eisenhower, they all had a vision that we needed to keep some places wild like. >> right. >> .here in texas, guadalupe mountains or south padre island or big bend or the big thicket. these are.these are our gifts to our kids' kids. >> yeah. every state has places like that. >> yes. >> this is a story of a place as opposed to a person but in some ways this is a biography of this place every bit as much as some of the many biographies you've written over the years approaches the subject that way. you're bringing out the human qualities and i.that in my mind at least distinguishes this from the kind of book that would be written on this subject by somebody else. >> well that's exactly the way i thought of it. and there's a woman named mardy murie who lived to be over a hundred and won the presi

so alan ginsberg wrote a letter and said he was grateful for the statement but he said i would have taken exception were at my place to the adjective inflammatory of wholesale to the less literature outside the context of equally inflammatory audiology displayed in, say, the "reader's digest" with its historic the inflammatory cold war theory or out language about themes or the new york daily news, which editorial proposed atom bomb and china founding 200 million persons at their own estimate as reasonable. or for that route to the commander of "the new york times" whose business as usual reported in the eruption of planetary ecological crisis occasionally in flames my own fantasies of arson. be that as i say -- can be that as it may, merely above routt language is often inflammatory by the new left embrum rhetoric as with w.c. fields. it was allen ginsberg of 1970. finally in the speaker's they brought people in the movements and they could shore of people's political participation the welcome to the rank and file participation in all aspects of newspaper production l.a. times the engage

so alan ginsberg wrote a letter and said he was grateful for the statement but he said i would have takenption were at my place to the adjective inflammatory of wholesale to the less literature outside the context of equally inflammatory audiology displayed in, say, the "reader's digest" with its historic the inflammatory cold war theory or out themes or the new york daily news, which editorial proposed atom bomb and china founding 200 million persons at their own estimate as reasonable. or for that route to the commander of "the new york times" whose business as usual reported in the eruption of planetary ecological crisis occasionally in flames my own fantasies of arson. be that as i say -- can be that as it may, merely above routt language is often inflammatory by the new left embrum rhetoric as with w.c. fields. it was allen ginsberg of 1970. finally in the speaker's they brought people in the movements and they could shore of people's political participation the welcome to the rank and file participation in all aspects of newspaper production l.a. times the engage in the old fashione