this is a question for you, and for allen harper -- alan hopper. i'm wondering if you can speak to your experience and commitment to san francisco, notwithstanding the presidency waiver. >> i have a history of working in san francisco. i internet the public defender's office here in the city. i worked at a homeless policy organization in san francisco, assistant city in applying for federal money to fund homeless services. i reside in the east bay, but we do have a san francisco office. i work very closely with the office. we work on san francisco's city initiatives. despite my residency, i have a strong connection to san francisco. san francisco does -- does have the ability to be a model for california and for the nation, and i would like to be part of this process with the sentencing commission. thank you supervisor campos: -- thank you. supervisor campos: thank you. so, you do work and live outside of san francisco? >> yes, i do. chairperson kim: next we have mr. allen hopper. >> good afternoon. i have worked with her for many years. you cannot