alan miller, the co—founder of together declaration campaign, and peter edwards , a former and peterards, a former editor of labourlist . good editor of labourlist. good evening to both of you. good evening. i don't want to sound like a massive luddite or anything, but i have been looking at this ai conference and some of the things that people and people have been saying and people have been saying and people been warning , people have been warning, haven't they, about this risk to humanity time humanity for quite some time now. i don't i don't think now. and i don't i don't think i'm a luddite because i am quite into technology. but there is something about al that terrifies me and it makes me think sometimes why we just never happy with what we've got and what we do . why are we so and what we do. why are we so desperate to keep pushing and pushing and pushing pushing ? pushing and pushing and pushing? so development, the so the next development, the next . next thing. >> i wish we were was getting to do that more. michelle to be honest, i think in infrastructure and innovation, w

now i'm joined now by alan miller, the co—founder of together, attended some together, who attended some feel you're being policed fairly? >> well, i think a couple of things. i started at the cenotaph and winston churchill and it was very. >> what time was that? >> what time was that? >> around 11 the morning. >> so the time of the moment of silence? indeed. silence? yes, indeed. >> 1215, it was very >> so at 1215, it was very dignified, calm. i have seen the things that happened subsequently. must say that i subsequently. i must say that i think media and others in think the media and others in the to this stoked a think the media and others in the of to this stoked a think the media and others in theof things. this stoked a think the media and others in theof things. the stoked a think the media and others in the of things. the two (ed a think the media and others in the of things. the two thingsa lot of things. the two things were separate . things were quite separate. things were. people are reporting were. but people are reporting what what were the people what was what were the pe

, alan miller, posted on social media that he was stopped by police .by police. now they're going they're very active , going they're very active, looking for i don't know what class a drugs night cvs. i'm not really sure they're trying to find things in order to arrest people. they're trying to create a volume of arrests. >> and they were they were profiled, being profiled, perhaps as being potential far right. >> wearing cap. >> he was wearing a peaked cap. is that is that far is that it? is that is that far right these days? but how can you say that the police had a plan to do that, that sounds a bit conspiratorial, doesn't it? i'm plan. i'm i'm not saying it's a plan. i'm saying there was a deliberate strategy of aggressive and vigorous in order to vigorous policing in order to tone down what was perceived to be a far right protest on the day. but i be a far right protest on the day. buti do be a far right protest on the day. but i do think that there could well have been a strategy to create a number of arrests. on one side in order to create the e

, alan miller, posted on social media that he was stopped by police .they're very active , going they're very active, looking for i don't know what class a drugs night cvs. i'm not really sure they're trying to find things in order to arrest people. they're trying to create a volume of arrests. >> and they were they were profiled, being profiled, perhaps as being potential far right. >> wearing cap. >> he was wearing a peaked cap. is that is that far is that it? is that is that far right these days? but how can you say that the police had a plan to do that, that sounds a bit conspiratorial, doesn't it? i'm plan. i'm i'm not saying it's a plan. i'm saying there was a deliberate strategy of aggressive and vigorous in order to vigorous policing in order to tone down what was perceived to be a far right protest on the day. but i be a far right protest on the day. butl do be a far right protest on the day. but i do think that there could well have been a strategy to create a number of arrests. on one side in order to create the exact splashes we've got in th

now i'm joined now by alan miller, the co—founder of together, attended some together, who attended someel you're being policed fairly? >> well, i think a couple of things. i started at the cenotaph and winston churchill and it was very. >> what time was that? >> what time was that? >> around 11 the morning. >> so the time of the moment of silence? indeed. silence? yes, indeed. >> 1215, it was very >> so at 1215, it was very dignified, calm. i have seen the things that happened subsequently. must say that i subsequently. i must say that i think media and others in think the media and others in the to this stoked a think the media and others in theof to this stoked a think the media and others in theof things. this stoked a think the media and others in theof things. the stoked a think the media and others in theof things. the two {ed a think the media and others in theof things. the two thingsa lot of things. the two things were separate . things were quite separate. things were. people are reporting were. but people are reporting what what were the people what was what were the people w

it's been alan miller in the together declaration.going out there campaigning against it. we're not represented. it's and not being represented. it's and this big this is a this is this is a big this is a this is a big challenge. >> so for labour now, who'd have thought that labour london, which to be labour's which is meant to be labour's absolute was going absolute rock solid, was going to problem. to be its biggest problem. >> keir starmer >> but you're hero keir starmer only discovered an antipathy to this because that's what it this tax because that's what it is ulez after you failed >> ulez yeah, after you failed to win the uxbridge by—election, then he suddenly realised because the tories cleverly turn it into a referendum on ulez, he suddenly discovered huge reservations about it and was told clear off by sadiq khan. told to clear off by sadiq khan. >> well, it's even funny a friend who actually is friend of mine who actually is a form labour form another former labour adviser starmer adviser lives in keir starmer constituency