host: it estimates in the report the cost of compliance to be 1.9 trillion alan mulally. how do you come up with that? guest: at the turn-of-the-century the federal government the omb reports were .egging it at 1.2 trillion it is an amalgam of government studies looking at the best ones that they have available in terms of paperwork costs and called the cost of compliance and interventions. in rick -- in reality there are reports out there from other institutions that say the impacts could be up to 4 trillion. study puts it at 2.2 trillion. i think looking at the federal government data that is out there and some of the other private material of their gives us a reasonable benchmark that we can say it could be more than this, but this is a defensible number. these reports are interesting just heard about the nitpicking regulations and the regulations we need. a good example about -- that captures it, as an entity, that national automobile dealers have done a survey looking at all the regulations that affect them on the shop floor and the sales floor, ftc, that frank, has