we talk with james lewis of the center for strategic and international studies, alan paller of the sands institute, and catherine lotrionte of georgetown, university. this is the final segment in a monthlong series on cybersecurity. >> host: well, this is week four in our look on "the communicators" at cybersecurity and cyber threats that face the u.s. and this week we've invited tree cybersecurity experts to join us to talk about some of these issues. first off, james lewis who is the directer of the technology and public policy program at csis. he also worked on the president's recent cybersecurity report. also joining us is catherine lotrionte, she is is director of the cybersecurity project at georgetown university. she served in the general counsel office at the cia and also worked on the president's foreign intelligence advisory board during the george w. bush administration. alan paller is the founder and research director of the sands institute, and he was also an adviser to both president clinton and president bush administrations at different levels. thank you all for being her

from georgetown university, law degree from new york university and alan paller founder and research director of the sans institute, degrees from cornell and m.i.t.. mr. paller very quickly what is the sans institute in how did you get involved in this type of work? >> guest: sans is the main training organization. we have trained 20,000 people year in the techniques that they are used to -- computers and exploit computers. i got involved because the software companies sold to another company in the security area and learned it that way. >> host: do you train a lot of government folks? >> guest: more commercial and defense industrial base of a small number of government folks in law enforcement particular and the intelligence community. >> host: catherine lotrionte how did you get involved in working in the general counsel office of the cia and cybersecurity? >> guest: so my background in cyber started actually at cia when i was given the information warfare account akin 1997 as a lawyer and sunrise and -- were just around the corner and kept interest in it and found a spot at george

and is alan paller, founder and research director of the sands institute. degrees from cornell and mit. mr. paller, very quickly, what is the sands institute and how did you get involved in this type of work? >> guest: sands is the main training organization which trains 20,000 people a year in the very advanced techniques that will be used to defend and exploit computers. i got involved because i started one of the first software companies and sold it to another company that was in the security area and learned it that way. >> host: do you train a lot of government folks? >> guest: yeah, more commercial and defense industrial-based a small number of the government folks in law enforcement, particularly in the intelligence community. >> host: catherine, how'd you get involved in working at the general counsel office at the cia and in cybersecurity? >> guest: so my background in cyber started actually at cia when i was given the information warfare account back in 1997 as a lawyer. and fuller sunrise and moonlight maze were just around the corner and put the