with alan greenspan decent man very bright. >> hunt: alan simpson. alan was a tough guy who was -- unlike leach alan simpson was quite conservative but a decent man so on gay rights and other things he was the opposite of me. so that generosity worked very well. the day after i came out alan simpson called me and said i apologize. i said for what? he said, i know i'm always making jokes about things. i probably made some anti-gay joke in your presence. he said, i'm so proud of you and i'm so glad you did what you did. he's probably one to have the most decent, likable people ever. >> hunt: president bill clinton. >> very bright. very effective. i regretted his -- i think he -- i regretted his wanting to accommodate the anti-government thing. i think he tried to do what you couldn't do. on the whole, though, one of the most talented people i've ever seen. >> hunt: george w. bush? decent. limited, i think, in terms of his approach to things, and i think he goes down his historically with the rap of having committed the worst mistake any president ever p

the day after i came out, alan simpson called me and said, i apologize. i said, for what?said, i know i'm making jokes about all sorts of thing. i probably made an anti-gay joke in your presence. i am proud of you and so happy. he was one of the most decent likable human beings i ever worked with. al: president clinton. representative frank: very bright, very effective. i've regretted his -- i think he may have -- i regretted his accommodating the antigovernment thing. i think you try to do what you could not do. on the whole, one of the most talented people i have ever seen. al: george w. bush. representative frank: decent. limited, i think, in terms of his approach to things. i think he goes down historically of having committed the worst mistake that any president ever made. al: barney frank, i think you for being with us. the book is as interesting as his conversation. thank you very much. we will be back in a moment. ♪ charlie: benjamin scheuer is a singer and songwriter. he wrote a one-man musical called "the lion." is about his relationship and his father and his ba

alan simpson. n the ways and means committee and dave camp was my chairman. as you know, bowles-simpson was dead on arrival. camp came up with a proposal last year. as you are well aware of, got no hearings and was frankly dead on arrival. what lesson do we learn from these efforts? >> you're discouraged. i read the proposal. i thought it was a good proposal. i thought it covered a lot of the bases that needed to be covered. you are a he right it was dead on arrival. this is one -- again, i'm not going to badmouth the president but it irritated me that he appoints this commission and as soon as it comes out he just gives it the back of his hand. well, that practically kills it right interestthere. i thought the commission did a first rate job. >> i think camp had some interesting ideas. what happened? he kind of started too late. people knew he was going out the door and he did his own thing. and put something specific forward, which is a necessary prerequisite. member treasury one treasury two. the

alan simpson. i was on the -- when i was in the house, i was on the ways and means committee and dave camp was my chairman. as you know, bowles-simpson was dead on arrival. camp came up with a proposal last year. as you are well aware of, got no hearings and was frankly dead on arrival. what did we learn? what lesson do we learn from these efforts? >> you're discouraged. i read the proposal. i thought it was a good proposal. i thought it covered a lot of the bases that needed to be covered. you are right, it was dead on arrival. this is one -- again, i'm not going to badmouth the president but it irritated me that he appoints this commission and as soon as it comes out he just gives it the back of his hand. well, that practically kills it right there. i thought the commission did a first rate job. >> i think camp had some interesting ideas. what happened? he kind of started too late. people knew he was going out the door and he did his own thing. and put something specific forward, which is a necess

with the help of alan simpson i was able to do that.skeptical as home ownership is the answer for low income people and pushed for rental housing. i had consistent 30 years, that's why i got on the committee in the first place, i think there's more rental housing for lower income people. >> all right. >> the book is "frank former congressman barney frank. thank you so much. >> can you come back sometime soon? we would love to talk to you more about this? >> of course. >> and everything else that's going on. >> okay. >> give you a call. >>> all right. more "morning joe" in a moment. discover card. hey! so i'm looking at my bill and my fico® credit score's on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is...lisa? julie?! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. if you're running a business legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for

simpson was found not guilty in the murder of his wife. the outcome of this case might also come down to great lawyering. the lawyer who worked on both those cases, alanz, harvard lawyer emeritus, with us live now. great to see you, professor dershowitz, and i begin with this: we have some overwhelming, maybe not i don't know, you tell us, evidence that came out on robert durst where he apparently went into a bathroom with an open mic while he was shooting a documentary and reportedly said some very important words. let's play those words first, and then you -- with your legal mind -- tell us, is it admissible? here's what he said: liz: "killed them all, of course." you call this a bathroom soliloquy. will it be admissible? >> well, this is rare. in real life people don't generally talk to themselves and make admissions, but this guy apparently did. everything will turn on the admissibility of that statement. if the statement comes in, then all the other evidence will be seen by the jury through the prism of a confession or an admission. and if it doesn't come in, remember, the jurors will not have seen the tv show, "jinx," hbo. they will just see the