so drum roll, please, to alana kagan so we get through the introduction portion. >> okay. and alana kagan, who was a graduate of princeton university and harvard law school was also a marshall skorl at oxford university, as was steven briar, started out working in the clinton administration on the domestic policy staff. she then became the first woman dean and the first jewish woman dean of harvard law school. and then she followed the distinguished staff -- >> i guess if she was the first woman dean -- >> probably would also qualify. >> that was a little redundant on my part. i was just going to say she followed in the great stems of my interlocutory here. she became the next jewish solicitor general in 2009 and the fist -- this case the first woman solicitor general. and i guess the fourth jewish solicitor general you told me. and then a year later president obama appointed her to the supreme dort. and by the way, one of the efforts of presidents when they appoint justices is to appoint hopefully younger justices who with good health may seb 30 years. she was the exact s

. >> which did a review of this several years ago and with alana kagan recusing herself decided withhe principal of affirmative action, race being used as part of the admissions process, a criteria in the process. we don't see white applicants being discriminated against, categorically, globally, what we see are offices of admissions using race and ethnicity as part of a process to develop a diverse campus and student body. that's what we have going on here. so the fact that you don't see university presidents asking for this. what we see is this opposite. universities and colleges concerned about the chilling effect here. how then can colleges and universities prepare students to lead the country if they have campuses that do not look like the country. >> that was the university of texas at ought tin austin, a 4- at least hold iing affirmative action. >> i'm concerned about it, and the reason i'm concerned about it is it sends a chilling message. we don't see any legal basis for it. the supreme court has spoken to this issue quite recently. there's no demand for it. but it sends a v