it is about the real but fictionalized of cold war between alastair crowley and adolf hitler. and three -- the first three artists who were hired to work on the book all had major life catastrophes like illness, suicide etc., and i was starting to get scared that youtart writing about someone like alastair rally -- alastair crowley and there is something dangerous happening. i got really scared when i was writing that, that i was touching energy that i should not. it was really hard to do and to tell that story as reality with history, while also getting into these characters and trying to distinguish in a responsible way. thatas the most harrowing experience i had. caller: thank you very much, gentlemen. this is a fascinating conversation. i'm interested in your role about research. how much of the research and writing? do they overlap each other also, your role with agents. thank you very much. douglas: withife, i likeo have all theesearch done before i start writing. i will do a little bit of research to get to the stage, and the proposal is usually something that turns int