atrocities that were committed in the age of apartheid, they and we and confess, focus on restoring alationships, and it is country that would still be in civil war right now. restoringn of relationships is important to me. i am trying to imagine how beething like that would part of that. >> it is restorative justice. victims' are brought together with criminals in order to get emotional clearance, and there was a case where a woman whose husband had been killed by a crazy driver met the driver, the murderer in prison. it was agonizing for both, and the woman said, for giving is hard, but not for giving is more difficult. -- unemotional clarence emotional clearance is something being tried in the united states. this: when you're doing kind of research, with regard to what we are facing in the real ,orld, is this kind of research how does it make you hopeful or more fearful? >> neighboring of their children into influence my wife enemy and how we bring up our own children. son wanted a pet snake but my wife and i are not to make lovers. , so we a young child gave him a pet snake and he had 147 pe