albert gonzalez original arrest was at an atm in new york so everything goes back to the industry.get because we demystify cyber. it's hard to put a face to cyber, but it's being conducted right real humans with real skills and they could be anywhere at anytime. i think it's important. those steps are reactive steps in it we can take those steps proactively, that may give us a better chance as individuals and organizations around the world are now to point where they realize the results of their security and the other efforts they put into this and how they affect the livelihood of others. they are taking secret service security very seriously. .. would suggest to me, you know, the threats are greater now than in the past. interestingly, teens -- the issue of identity theft is on the radar. people have talked to them about it. the idea of the personality, the security of the personal information is something they are cognizant of, and they say is a concern for them. >> but is a disconnect because they're teenagers. they don't really think they would have anything worth stealing. th