still with us, alberto gallo and kit juckes.uld we worry more about china than we are at the moment? >> no, i think there's two common fallacies people have about china. one is they have infinite dry powder. that is not true. they have a simulated -- they have accumulated losses in the banking system, which are roughly over $1 trillion in loans. knows what -- nobody the true number is, but if you are one of the 10 people in china that knows the real num ber, you know dry powder has to lust for the next five years. the second fallacy though, is that they have other resources they can use. it's not a free democracy. you can funnel people's savings into investment, and that is a much larger amount of money. they are trying to control the slowdown, create bond market, so the debt can be externalized and they can use people's savings to invest in stocks and corporate bonds. anyou have too much debt at aggregate level, you can either grow out of it, which they have already done. you can count of future population growth, which just ch