and robert albertson samuel o'neil, partners and chief strategists for people na took part, that hid taxpayer money, if you have, i like what you like to dork you don't want to may anyone, you get crappy people running it. no more conference, why would you get involved? >> everything about the -- >> anything other than carp. >> i'm an investor, okay. so when i invest in companies, i love for the ceo to make a bundle of money as long as it's tied to the performance of the company. >> in one sentence, case closed. but it doesn't stop the new york times from the editorials, the business, gretchen morgan, every week, it's confrontation. >> isn't eight part of the fact that when interest rates are so low, people are driven to desperation to capitalize in some way on their money. so who do you end up turning to? the financial services? >> there is a running anti-corporatism at the new york times. it is. that's where all the jobs come from, the tax money, all the prosperity. do you read the new york times and see a running threat of anti-corporatism? >> i sense that a little bit. i think yo