albins. >> i can start, matt. thank you, ranking member. for cvp, a separation of a group that presents as a family unit is as of right now a very rare event. it's about 1.4% of all these groups that show up at our border. the first question you ask is how do you determine family relationship. this is done very carefully based on an interview of the individuals, based on processing with fingerprints, looking at records in our system, coordination with the consulate, coordination with other authorities in the united states. so when we make a determination to separate a family based on the fact that we don't believe there's a familial relationship, it's generally based on admitted or clear fraud from a cvp perspective. the other cases where there's separation when it is a family unit is if there is a criminal issue with the adult parent that needs to go through the doj process for prosecution. that's, again, a very rare circumstance. we have careful policies, supervisupe and it doesn't happen very often. >> i'm really more interested in under