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he was going back and forth between albuquerque and phoenix.hat's where jeep held its continuing education classes in auto mechanics. >> he still wanted to go to training because he had been going to training all along through his work history. >> a two-day trip became three days, then four days, then a week. ellen was becoming increasingly suspicious of what mike was doing on those long trips away from his family and from her. >> i felt hurt and betrayed that i had gone along all of this time being the good wife for his ms. >> then one night, mike was in the shower and his cell phone was sitting there on the table next to ellen. curiosity, she says, got the better of her. she picked up his phone and opened it. >> so you listened to the messages. >> i listened to his messages. >> and what a shock that was. one message in particular from a man she'd never heard mike mention. someone named dave simmons, a man ellen believed was the reason mike was spending so much time in phoenix. >> he would talk about how satisfied he was with their sexual cont

soledad: what's your biggest revenue losses in the city of albuquerque?or keller: so for us -- you know, each city is funded differently all across america. and we're heavily dependent on sales tax. so for us, the lower volume of sales transactions, whether it's retail or otherwise, really, really hurts us and food is exempt from that in the first place. so we don't benefit from all the grocery store spending. so we're very susceptible. and of course, lodgers tax. so that's add a lot of hotels for all our tourism. so we've been hit very, very hard by this. and i mean, we're looking at april with almost no revenue. i mean, like 80% down for one month because of tourism. the challenge is long term, you know, tourism is going to be one of the slowest industries to rebound. so unfortunately, very pessimistic when it comes to that, too. soledad: you've applied for funding under the cares act. how much have you asked for? is there a specific way in which you have to use it specifically for the covid-19 response? are you able to do it to replace lost revenue fro

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. >> i don't think the doctor resided here but he came from albuquerque. a lot of our people, older people did not speak the english language, so my dad would interpret for him what he was asking him to do, have to take care of themselves. they would work from e early morning until late ght trying to visit every home in the pup flub low. when they got to some of the homes, they would find two or three people that had passed away during the week. every week they were burying people, the bell would be telling from monday to evening because of so many deaths. >> >> the bureau of inddian afaffairs told him to investigae the situation in the pueblo's near albuquerque, new mexico. he told, the strength of the pueblo's was not taken with the agent or markedly with the infants, but from the young adult life of the tribe. and this was true around the world. with the influenza that hits us every fall and winter, most healthy adults are sick for a week or two and recover. when people die of the flu, it is almost always the very young and the very old. but the influen

see is turn rejected because mentally disturbed homeless man illegally camping in the hills above albuquerque new mexico will soon fall victim to police bullets i'll tell you that he might honor tomorrow i'm going to almost every day that goes by in the media you hear about education. jobs and health care you never hear about affordable housing. are you doing ok medically. when i started i was actually really shocked how ill be . or on the street it was like going to a 3rd world country. this is a map that shows you the foreclosures initiated and over the last 2 letters every single one has for. the record i do know is pretty well that i do know the name of the person i heard you. say was assaulted last tuesday he may have some booze or broken ribs. it is estimated the poverty rate for kids in this country will soon hit 25 percent those children would be the largest american generation to be raised in hard times since the great depression. the 1st day. psychologically how hits is you like anyone you know you have no friends in the world people like. even though they probably don't know you kn

host: joining us from her porch in albuquerque, representative debra haaland.nk you very much for being with us. rep. haaland:: thank you. host: we will give you a sense with covid-19. the new worldwide infections in the last 60 minutes, 1797. the majority are here in the u.s., just over 1300. the worldwide death toll increased by 121, the vast majority in the u.s. at 94. we are back tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern with another journal." "washington and infectious disease expert will join us. as we celebrate nurses, kendra mcmillan from the nursing association will join us and representative gerry connolly from virginia, which includes a large percentage of federal workers. all of our coverage including today's hearing with the senate and the testimony of leading experts is available online any time at c-span.org/coronavirus. don't forget tomorrow morning, the washington journal at 7:00 a.m. eastern time from my home to your home. stay safe, keep healthy. thanks for joining us. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by th

it is toward the western edge of new mexico, it's about two hours west/northwest of albuquerque. gallup borders the navajo nation, which is the largest native american reservation in the united states. the navajo nation is huge. it actually spans the territory of three different u.s. states, mostly in new mexico and arizona. right now, the navajo nation has the largest coronavirus outbreak in the whole country. a grim milestone achieved this week. quote navajo nation surpasses new york state for highest covid-19 infection rate in the united states. the worst outbreak in the country, within the navajo nation, has also caused consequences that spill behind navajo borders. if you look at the last two weeks, gallup, new mexico, on the edge of navajo nation, has the second highest rate per capa anywhere in the country, following sioux city iowa that has a meat packing plant outbreak there that just won't quit. over that same time period in the past two weeks, it has taken more lives in gallup, n partly how fast the virus is spreading in gallup and it may also be partly because of how

host: james in albuquerque, new mexico. caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. the -- fixese of we can put into places to have 50% labor representation on all corporate boards of directors. care, weversal health should have universal health care. there shouldn't be anybody having to go broke because of medical bills. right now, food is getting short too. with metal co., the first thing with health is proper nutrition. we are throwing away 40% of the food we produce. now we are getting food shortages. maybe we should have another victory program and make a universal food program like universal health. thank you very much. i think you have some great ideas there. i want to underline one thing you said that is powerful, all of these pieces are related. workers, union representation, utility for workers to have say in their work, nutrition, eating right, begin to afford to eat right, and health care. i would add some others. theink childcare and ability for young people to go to college. all of those peoples are closely related and how people are doing. reason there

. ♪ if you want to be my santa >>> in albuquerque, new mexico, an unforgettable trip to the atm for oneiced a bag of cash, $135,000 worth. so what did he do? he took it to police. and for doing the right thing, the police department offered him a job as a public safety officer. but does he get to keep any of it if it doesn't get claimed? >>> a much different story from an atm overseas. >> follow me. a monkey managed to break into this one in india and rip the entire front off the machine, but after all of that work, he left without taking any cash. >> mona, i think they call that monkey business. >> i was just about to say that. >> we'll check the top headlines next. didn't mean to steal your line. >> we'll check the top headlines next. didn't mean to steal your line. . so roll up those sleeves. and help heal your skin from within with dupixent. dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. dupixent is a biologic, and not a cream or steroid. many people taking dupixent saw clear or almost cle

laying low on epstein secluded zorro ranch nestled in between the mountains outside of santa fe and albuquerque having worked as a reporter in santa fe for several years i know the area well it's a perfect location for someone who wants to stay out of sight one place maxwell likely isn't right now is epstein's notorious little st james island or as it was known by locals pedophile island it's where many of epstein's victims say they were abuse arts he was the last news crew to visit the island before epstein's death last august fact we were there just 2 weeks before epstein's lifeless body was found in his jail cell at the metropolitan correctional center in new york city you may remember me swimming up to one of the island's pristine beaches which is legal to do in the u.s. virgin islands and then later being chased off the island by its caretaker when i tried to talk to him abstains death was ruled a suicide by hanging but there have been many theories about his demise and as those theories continue so do the lawsuits by abstains victims against his estate the disgraced financier geoffrey eps

to see is horrific so this mentally disturbed homeless man illegally camping in the hills above albuquerque new mexico will soon fall victim to police bullets i'm telling you that he had on hand to harm united states.

and one third of them get on as that sal play, and some are getting send to flagstaff or an albuquerque. >> we are thinking of you. we appreciate your work and we appreciate you taking the time. we know you're exhausted and so busy. thank you. >> thanks. >>> contact tracer. it's the name for people we will all rely on to spot the spread of covid-19. they're the people who will track down the people who have been exposed before they can actually expose others. whilt we heard a lot about them, we never heard from them. until now. nbc bay area has how a librarian is on the front line of the pandemic. >> behind the locked doors of the library, a treasure trove of stories and before the pan dimming, the workplace of lisa. >> i love books, i love reading. like science fiction. it's a good fit for me. >> and now a chapter, as the city shuffles staff to deal with the pan dimming, she will is now a contract tracer. >> we have a list of people to call on the phones who have been exposed to someone who tested positive for the covid-19 virus. >> she is among hundreds of san francisco librarians, at

closed the governor says gallop has 14 times the number of cases than new mexico's largest center of albuquerque>> in california, governor gavin newsom is closing some beaches after people did not practice social distancing. the order sent thousands of protesters to huntington beach on friday, demanding the governor reopen the popular beach. paul vercammen is in huntington beach. what does it look like there today? >> well, what we've seen this morning is people have come down to the beach to go surfing. we've seen hundreds of surfers, if you look behind me, the rules are, they will warn people, and we've heard it. they will tell people they are not to be on the beach, right now, we are not seeing any heavy handedness. why is this beach still closed? in the waning hours of yesterday arou an impassioned court hearing, the city of hunting ton beach in orange county, arguing shutting down the beach was violating people's constitutional rights. they felt the governor had made his decision from a podium in northern california on some photographs. let's show you what they were alluding to. there were

so gallop, new mexico, just west of the albuquerque, new mexico, area, a bit of a remote area, not anbly small town but a place with 22,000 people, the medical resources are not capable of withstanding the onslaught of so many

ide upon an based albuquerque teenager's science aper, the bush administration proposed mass lockdowns in the event of a severe flu pandemic. leading epidemiologists warned at the time that, quote, consequences of large-scale quarantine are so extreme that this mitigation should be eliminated rom serious consideration, end quote. well, it wasn't. now, new york governor andrew 84% of mitted that covid-19 hospitalizations in new either people who are already quarantined at home or homes.nursing statistical analyses, including stanford university's michael tel aviv university stateben israel, kentucky universal's rylee, and t.j. finding no significant statistically inspection in the curves between those jurisdictions that destroyed heir economies and those that didn't. a study by jpmorgan found an as rse relationship economies began to open up. 1,24 a casesvolving in china found one outbreak that just ed indoors involving two cases. 80% of the outbreaks occurred in people's homes. does it follow the science to close outdoor venues people indoors? mr. speaker, it's high time we americans h

they found her two months later, murdered in albuquerque, new mexico. and so her case still remains unsolved. we got to tamicka platero who is from little -- little water, new mexico, who went missing november 25, 2019, and is still missing. and -- and so we have these girls out there that are missing and we don't know. and, you know, there's that jurisdiction -- president trump: so this has been far disproportionate to other people in other areas of the country, what you -- what you've gone through. i mean, i've been hearing about this for a long time. second lady lizer: yes. president trump: for years and years. this has been for many years, for many decades, right? second lady lizer: yes. yes. president trump: disproportionate. vice president lizer: disproportionate, yes. president trump: well, $273 million -- a lot of that's going to go toward trying to solve that problem. it's a problem that can be solved. vice president lizer: thank you, mr. president. second lady lizer: thank you, mr. president. president trump: but i know you're going to use it

indians in indian countries and a bunch of merchants and speculators in the non-indian communities in albuquerque running out to the problems selling alcohol to the public citizens and getting busted for it by the feds. prior to statehood, the state turned to real court said this is fine because they are not indians because are civilized, et cetera, the federal government was concerned that they through language into the oklahoma -- new mexico enabling act, yes they are indian and new mexicans continue to violate this law in the sandoval case came up just mentioned numerous times in the world argument today, sandoval was a fight over whether are the problems indians in the book of the decision if youn, read it, is very racist, deals with levels of civilization, are they sufficiently inferior to white people that we can consider indians. in the answer to that is yes and the pushback that comes from the state of new mexico is the abbot their citizens, the supreme court to that said maybe were not entirely sure but it does not make any difference. the final desperate argument, yah they own their lan

. >> reporter: well, the town of gallup, new mexico, is about 22,000 people west of albuquerque. it is a remote area where medical facilities have been taxed thin for the last few weeks. this is a community with -- even though a population of 22,000, has more than a thousand coronavirus cases and those cases have jumped by more than 200 in just the last few days. because of that, the mayor and the governor have now essentially put the city of gallup, new mexico, on lockdown starting at noon mountain time today. residents will be required to stay in their homes. only allowed out for essential and emergency visits. people traveling in cars can only have two people in a car at any given time and all businesses must be closed down from 5:00 p.m. until 8:00 a.m. this emergency order goes into effect today. and, kate, lasted until monday. so it is just from friday to monday where this is being done. but this is because, again, the city of gallup, new mexico, accounts for about 30% of the coronavirus cases in the entire state of new mexico. as i mentioned, there is a great deal of conce

out west we have real warmth look at this, from los angeles, las vegas, el paso, albuquerque.'re going to see temperatures, triple digits in eyuma, tucson, al albuquerque in the mid 80s l.a. will get up into the mid-80s by friday and fresno, you'll be in the mid-90s those are temperatures way above >> good morning. i'm meteorologist kari hall. we are going to have just a slight warm-up today. more significant warm-up in the forecast for tomorrow. but then we're looking at high temperatures in oakland reaching 72 degrees and low 80s for the inland north bay as well as east bay. as we go into tomorrow, we'll start to feel that heat reaching into the upper 80s and then reaching up to 93 degrees this friday. saturday is also pretty warm, but we'll have a nice cooldown just in time for mother's day. savannah. >> all right, al thank you. just ahead, what makes a marriage last? we're going to chat about that with marlo thomas and phil donahue ahead of their 40th anniversary. their secrets and the secrets they picked up from other successful couples, including al >>> welcome back we k

if they need to be intubated, they've got to have someone transport them from a facility to like albuquerquewhere we're starting to send people because our icus are only in beds. >> reporter: the navajo nation spans 27,000 square miles. there are no short distances here, which is one of the difficulties with getting resources to its people, with the exception of here. i'm standing in the four corners where with one step you can walk into four different states. but with the vast distances, self-distancing might seem easy. it isn't, because everyone shops at the same stores. >> there are a lot of people living here. >> reporter: the president of the navajo nation says infrastructure and resources long ago promised by the federal government were never realized. and now there's a perfect scenario for the virus to spread. >> 30, 40% of our citizens on the navajo nation don't have the luxury of turning on a faucet. >> reporter: you don't have running water? >> they don't have running water. >> reporter: generations of families often live in one home. if someone gets the virus, isolation is often i

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merchants,as speculators and a indian communities in albuquerque selling alcohol to the pueblos and selling it to the citizens, and then getting busted for it by the feds. prior to statehood, state territorial court said this is fine because that they are not really indians, because they are civilized, etc. the federal government was concerned about it enough that they through language into the new mexico enabling act, saying, yes they are indians. and new mexicans have continued to violate the law. then the sandoval case came up, which was mentioned in the oral argument today. state of all was a fight over are the pueblos indians, and the bulk of the decision, if you read it, feels very racist and deals with levels of civilization. are they sufficiently inferior to white people that we can consider them indians? the answer to that is yes. and the pushback that comes from the state of new mexico is, yeah, but they are citizens. the supreme court said to that, well, maybe we are not entirely sure, but it does not make a difference. and the final desperate argument, yeah, but they own their l

. >> now people are just going to go to albuquerque, winslow, holbrooke, flagstaff to get their other stuff now. now you just spread it even farther. why not keep it here where we can keep it under control. >> gallup's mayor says the lockdown is going to end tomorrow, but the governor could extend it. >>> as states relax restrictions, there is a new warning that covid cases and deaths will only get worse ross a big part of the country. nbc's kathy park has this report. >> reporter: tonight troubling new data from the world health organization. the u.s. marks its deadliest 24 hours last week with more than 2900 lives lost to covid-19. >> the number of deaths that accrue on daily basis tell you what was happening maybe three or four weeks ago in terms of new infection. we're going to see deaths continue to rise, even as the epidemic starts to peak and decline. >> reporter: the former fda commissioner warning that when you take the new york tri-state out of the equation, the spread is more persistent. >> there is about 20 states with a number of new cases on a daily basis is increasing,

bright, my understanding in 2017 barta funded a project in albuquerque that can be used in the public health of emergency such as what we are going through today. none of these next generation respiratories were available to us today, do you have any idea? >> i have no idea. you are talking about the ventilators? >> yes, those that can be sanitized and reused. it was contracted and that project was scrapped. >> i am not floor with that project. >> we had a lot of discussion with hydroxychloroquine. i am confused here because as my understanding that this is barta, barta and the role of barta and the mission of barta to look at things like this. when we in congress appropriate and allocate money to go towards this that you were supposed to be looking and barta is supposed to be looking at things that have merit such as chloroquine and hoydroxychloroquine. earlier on you were in favor of that. because we did not have any vaccine, we should be testing and that's where we are appropriating that money from. did you agree with that? that's what we are trying to do to look at what possibly w

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>>someone transport them from a facility like albuquerque, phoenix, it's where we're starting to send people because i see his own events the navajo nation spans 27,000 square miles there are no short distances here which is one of the difficulties with getting resources to all of its people with the exception of here, i'm standing in the 4 corners. >>we're with one step you can walk into 4 different states but with the vast distances self-distancing might seem easy. it isn't because mostly everyone shops at the same stores there are a lot of people living here the president of the navajo nation says infrastructure and resources long ago promised by the federal government were never realized and now there's a perfect scenario for the virus to spread 3040% of our citizens here on in our nation. >>don't have. >>luxury of turning on a faucet they don't have running water, they don't have running water. >>also generations of families often live in one home, so if someone gets the virus isolation is often impossible nevermind frequent hand washing and we can change that with the help of th

where the land is so sacred, they're going to wake up isolated in another cityy suh as phoenix o or albuquerquei think that is humbling. the navajo providers are trying to see how m much they can takee care of their patients in their facilities. whwhen it is not safe nor -- ananymore i have t to transfer paentsts out. dr. dr. shamasunder, i wowould ask about t the troublef 30's to combat t covid-19 and ao how the government of new mexico, the state government has responded. august the, ththere was a lot of rereports about the s state invg the right contntrol act and sealing off gallup. can you talk about both, the e state response and the tribal government response -- especially in view of what we have been sing of the relative a an action at the federal level on this disease? >> yeah, i think the incncredibe resourcefulness and resilience of the navajo people is totally apparent when we come here. we actually met with ththe navao president when we arriveded. he has really been on n the forerefront of havining people shelter in place and like dr. tom was saying, when you're trying to shelter in

if they've got to have someone transport them from a facility to like albuquerque, phoenix is where we'reo send people. >> reporter: the navajo nation spans 27,000 square miles. there are no short distances here, which is one of the difficulties with getting resources to all of its people, with the exception of here. i am standing in the four corners where, with one step, you can walk into four different states. but with the vast distances, self-distancing might seem easy. it isn't. because everyone shops at the same stores. the president of the navajo nation says infrastructure and resources long ago promised by the federal government were never realized, and now there's a perfect scenario for the virus to spread. >> 30, 40% of our citizens here on the navajo nation don't have the luxury of turning on a faucet. >> reporter: they don't have running water? >> they don't have running water. >> reporter: also generations of families often live in one home, so if someone gets the virus, isolation is often impossible. never mind frequent hand washing. >> we can change that with the help of the

they found her two months later murdered in albuquerque, new mexico.ase still remains unsolved. they got to make a who is from little waters new mexico who went missing november 25th 2019 and is still missing. and so, we have these girls out there that are missing. we don't know. >> president trump: far disproportionate to other people and other areas of the country. what you've gone through. i've been hearing about this for a long time. years and years. this has been for many years, for many decades. disproportionate. well, $273 million, a lot of that is going to try to solve that problem. it's a problem that can be solved. >> thank you, mr. president. >> president trump: i know that you will use it well and you will figure it out. >> neil: we will continue to monitor this. the president at this honeywell facility in arizona. i keep one of this is its help to go and extend the native americans with potential help. the president offer them today better than $600 million worth. the theme of the day is more americans ventures to help americans out especi

so if you're taking a train to albuquerque, new mexico, or wherever, this is where they kept the stamps and tickets to move you through the system. once again, all original in the fact that you see it moving and operating so easily is a testament to the construction of the time and period. what we have here is critical to a lot of people that dealt with the railroad. the first mural was actually chicago. when you see the age of the vehicles, you understand when this photo was taken. chicago was the hub. it was the starting point for a lot of the rail lines. santa fe had a presence there. then they came down through the high plains, across the top of texas, across new mexico. and then you see the grand canyon represented, and then they would end up in san francisco at the napa valley. the mural is basically giving you a depiction of the way that you moved by train across the western half of the united states. when we come into this area, this was what was classified as the grand ballroom. if you think about the period, your big beef buyers from chicago would have come down here to make d

albuquerque. columbus, ohio. houston, phoenix. las vegas, san jose. later on in oakland. we are literally watching a nation in rage over what they've seen. not everybody is protesting. but thousands of people around the country are doing just that. one other point that i wanted to make is that in addition to the third degree murder, there was also a second degree manslaughter charge brought against derek chauvin, the officer involved in the george floyd death. i saw this and i would have to have an attorney verify it, but i believe that, if convicted, that the potential would be 25 years incarceration. so that's not a light sentence. i assume that they could also change the charges if the evidence warranted that and change it. but clearly, the way that the prosecution has brought this case, many feel that there's an undercharging going on here. we'll have to see how ha shakes out. it's obviously going to take time for all of this to get resolved. but in the meantime, we have inflammatory situations taking place literally. >> there's some pushing there. >> larry, just to b

he published, a piece called sweden is a place in full disclosure, price, freedom is a place, in albuquerque these days, nick does the work of showing how indigenous struggles for decolonization and if abolitionists struggle must be de- colonial. i teach in a de- colonial summer school every year, but not this year because of covid-19. this is an ongoing discussion that i have with activists and intellectual around the planet. we talk about the continuing abolition for decolonization rather than abolition is one set of struggles has to do with people regaining their freedom in the context of a nation state that doesn't go away decolonization is a separate struggle because struggle for people to undo the corneal presence that sparkles structured their lives. these things go together make freedom be a place. >> you getting questions about current upticks, the question of surveillance one question comes in the form of what are we to make of the current situation of spreading the covid-19 police enforcement legislation and another question from catherine, can you comment on the increasing trend